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04/01/03

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04:41 AM

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04/01/03

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06:28 AM

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Could this be the same Peter who posts here?

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2002/cadet.htm

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04/01/03

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10:37 AM

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"Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear -- kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor -- with the cry of grave national emergency. Always, there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it." -- General Douglas MacArthur, 1957

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04/01/03

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10:44 AM

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Someone wrote: "Could this be the same Peter who posts here?"

I don't think so. Though his ideas are the same, that writer spelled all his words correctly.

Date:

04/02/03

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09:33 AM

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My dear readers,

I have just read some superb articles by Thom Hartmann. They are all excellent, but there is one I would especially urge you to read. It's a real eye-opener!!

Dismantling Democracy What's Behind the Magic Trick of War? http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0922-06.htm

Date:

04/02/03

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10:52 AM

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To all those who attack me and don't even bother to put your names to your posts. It's not even worth it to answer you, but I will anyway.

To whomever wrote this: One of the Peters said, "I am a non-believer in any religion, and any God for that particular matter."

You must give 10% of your paycheck everyweek to the church right?

To whomever, wrote this! I don't think so. Though his ideas are the same, that writer spelled all his words correctly.

When you don't have a valid point to make, you, like all the others who can't stand the heat of a real debate, resort to name-calling.

Let me know when you guys have something interesting to discuss.

Peter New York

Date:

04/02/03

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04:40 PM

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HOW CAN WE HAVE A UNITED EUROPE WITH THE FRENCH DESICRATING WAR GRAVES. THE SPINELESS GITS. WE DIDNT WANT THE WAR BUT AT LEAST WE STICK TOGETHER. LETS DUMP EUROPE AND GO WITH AMERICA. EUROPE IS A STORE HOUSE GENERATING FUTURE CIVIL WAR. WE CANT GET ON WITH SCOTLAND AND WALES SO WHY DOES ANY ONE THINK WE WILL SUCEED WITH SUCH FORIEGN ATTITUDES.

Date:

04/03/03

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03:17 PM

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Excellent!

http://www.citizenletter.org/

Date:

04/03/03

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06:02 PM

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I am Canadian and I am sick of all of you people who think we can have a world where everybody gets along and there's nothing but peace. Open your eyes to reality, wars will happen, soldiers will die and signing up for the armed forces they new it was a possibilty, I know because I signed similar papers when I joined the Canadian army reserves. Civilians will also die, live with it, it's called war it's impossible to have a war with no civilian casualties. Irqi TV has said about 350 civilians have been killed by coalition bombs, yes that's quite a few but how many innocent civilians have been muredered under Saddam Husein's rule? 10,000? 20,000? And will only continue if he is not removed. Not to mention the $50 billion he has stolen from the people.

I have 1 question for you anti-war people: What would be your alternative be to removing Saddam and his regime?

Date:

04/03/03

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07:20 PM

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How true:

-We're going to take Iraq in less time than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.

-It took less time to find evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq, than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

-It took Teddy Kennedy longer to call the police after his Oldsmobile sunk at Chappaquiddick, than it took the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard.

-We're going to take Iraq in less time than it took to count the votes in Florida in the year 2000!

Date:

04/03/03

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08:14 PM

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The Russian socialist revolution is dead? It died long ago! It died not in December 1991, when the USSR formally ceased to exist, nor in August 1991, when the failure of the attempted coup finally broke the back of what power the 'Communist Party' had left. It died more than six decades earlier, when Stalin led the state bureaucracy he personified to the final defeat of the working class and the destruction of the working-class communists led by Trotsky. "It died in a bloody, one-sided civil war in which the new bureaucratic ruling class, having defeated the workers, established itself as the 'sole master of the surplus product', that is, over the peoples of the USSR, eliminating its bourgeois and petty-bourgeois rivals."

Of course the political history of the early 1990s was dominated by bourgeois triumphalism, crowing about the death of socialism. Nevertheless, WL argued that the collapse of Eastern European "communism" was a liberation: "For six decades the effects on socialists of the existence of the USSR was malign, corrupting, confusing and demoralising." The ground had been cleared for the re-birth of real socialism as a mass force.

Workers' Liberty

Date:

04/03/03

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08:37 PM

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Here are some of the people who join the Dalai Lama as stooges of the CIA:

JFK (regarding UFOS) http://www.nexusmagazine.com/angleton.html

Bill Clinton http://www.idfiles.com/menamystciadis.htm

Hillary Clinton http://www.aci.net/kalliste/lafarge.htm

and for good measure, here is one of the many Peters associated with the CIA: http://www.ciaweb.org/history/dukor.shtml

Peter Newark

Date:

04/03/03

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10:58 PM

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OK, I'm fed up with all of the media coverage of that woman POW who was rescued. I would be willing to bet a million dollars that if it was a man there would not be this much coverage. And on top of that, they're praising her as a hero. I'm sorry but that's just a load of B.S. She didn't do anything she just got captured, how does that make her a hero? The only people who deserve to be called heros are the soldiers who went in to save her. I heard 1 news cast say this: "Heroism in the war has a new face, and it's a woman. This may show that women have earned their place in the army" I'm sorry but I'm in the Canadian army and I could simply not trust my life with a woman. And I don't want to hear any women's rights stuff against what I've just said because in training my fire buddy was a girl and because she was I had to do twice as much work as any other guy in my squad because I was with her. So until you've been in the situations I've been in you can't say anything about how women have the right to be in the army.

Date:

04/04/03

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05:52 AM

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Sagan om optimismens svenska kurvan B Benulic barbro_b@yahoo.com - Arbetssökande optimisten Stefan bevarade sitt hopp c:a 15 år, väntade på en kallelse, fått äntligen (men innehållet är lite riskabelt d.v.s. upp till 12 års fängelse för att det är en) poliskallelse p.g.a. mannen hyllat Michael Moore på s.k. icke-officiellt sätt, klandrat bl.a. det svenska hyckleriet, horaktiga behandlingen med... - Folk som tittade på öppna kanalen bevittnade om att solidariteten med modige fredskämpe Michael Moore förändrades till databrtottsling... 

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Date:

04/04/03

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06:38 AM

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George Bernard Shaw used three concepts to describe individuals in Nazi Germany: intelligence, decency, and Nazism. An individual could posses any two of these characteristics, but never all three. A person could be a Nazi and intelligent, for instance, if he wasn't decent, and he could be a Nazi and decent if he wasn't intelligent. In other words, in order to be a Nazi, one had to be either unintelligent or indecent.

There is no question that those same principals apply to America today. A person cannot support the policies of the Bush administration unless said person is lacking in either intelligence or decency -- or, in the case of Bush himself, both. "I just didn't know" simply doesn't cut it when your proclaimed ignorance is based on lies that are an insult to the intelligence of a child.

Date:

04/04/03

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11:51 AM

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In the fog of war - one thing's for sure - if Saddam 's regime indeed has weapons of mass destruction, it is showing an astonishing degree of responsibility and restraint in the teeth of extreme provocation. Under similar circumstances, (say if Iraqi troops were bombing New York and laying siege to Washington DC) could we expect the same of the Bush regime? Would it keep its thousands of nuclear warheads in their wrapping paper? What about its chemical and biological weapons? Its stocks of anthrax, smallpox and nerve gas? Would it?

Excuse me while I laugh. Arundhati Roy This is one article you must absolutely read!! http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,927712,00.html

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04/04/03

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12:28 PM

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WWW.KUCINICH.COM

The Worst Mayors (1820-1993) Next, and seventh, is Cleveland's Dennis Kucinich (1977-79). Only thirty-one years old when elected, Cleveland's "boy" mayor had failings that were not the sins of venality or graft for personal gain, but rather matters of style, temperament, and bad judgment in office. Kucinich earned seventh place the hard way: by his abrasive, intemperate, and confrontational populist political style, which led to a disorderly and chaotic administration. He barely survived a recall vote just ten months into office, then disappeared for five weeks, reportedly recuperating from an ulcer. When he got back into the political fray, his demagogic rhetoric and slash-and-burn political style got him into serious trouble when he stubbornly refused to compromise and led Cleveland into financial default in late 1978—the first major city to default since the Great Depression. That led also to Kucinich's defeat and exit from executive office. Out of office, he dabbled in a Hollywoodesque spirit world and once believed he had met actress Shirley MacLaine in a previous life, seemingly confirming his critics' charges that he was a "nut-cake." After that, he experienced downward mobility, losing races for several other offices and finally ending up with a council seat; but more recently, he climbed back up to a seat in Congress. Bad judgment, demagoguery, and default also spelled political failure in the eyes of twenty-five of our experts, who ranked Dennis, whom the press called "the Menace," as seventh-worst.

The American Mayor The Best & The Worst Big-City Leaders By Melvin G. Holli The Pennsylvania State University Press

Date:

04/04/03

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01:51 PM

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"Richard Perle, one of George W. Bush's top foreign advisers during the 2000 Presidential Campaign, was hired last week by the now-bankrupt Global Crossing telecommunications company to help it restructure a deal to sell a majority holding in the company to Hutchison Telecommunications and government-run Singapore Technolgies Telemedia. The US government, primarily the Defense Department and the FBI, has national security concerns about the deal: it would put Global Crossings' fiber optic network, which the US military uses, under Chinese ownership." -NY Times Richard Perle resigned from his position in the Pentagon inorder to dodge charges of 'War-Time Profiteering", which under Article III of the US Constitution, is considered 'Treason'. Perle, along with many current members of the Bush Administration, including George W. Bush, have a long business history with the Chinese government: during the 2000 elections, Bush and the GOP recieved 'undisclosed' amounts of funds from Bejing. This incident with Perle only scratches the surface of Republican Administration's deals with the Chinese goverment: 'money for arms, food, and vital technology' has been going on since the Nixon Administration. Former president Clinton, under massive Republican pressure to keep their lucrative business ventures with Bejing, allowed the continuation of US businesses to continue to sell US technology to China. The current Administration has made no efforts to block American companies from selling technology to the Chinese.

Date:

04/04/03

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02:14 PM

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From 1979 to 1991, the US government armed, supplied, and politically supported the Saddam regime and it's military force in Iraq. The 'horror stories' about Saddam's murder, torture, and wrongful imprisonment of thousands on innocent people began to flow out of Bagdad in the early 1980's. International human rights organizations documented horrific abuses of Iraqi citizens and provided reports to the US government, which not only dismissed the reports as 'fictional', though also banned reporters from investigating within Iraq. During the eight-year Iran-Iraq War, the US government supplied massive quantities of Anthrax, VX gas, and several other chemical-bio agents to the Iraqi regime, with full knowledge of Saddam's intentions. Saddam used the US supplied bio-chemical weapons on several occassions to murder thousands of Iraqi civilians. Again, the US government turned 'a blind eye' to this, and continued to do business with Saddam up until the first Gulf War. Interestingly, the US government allowed American companies to resume business with Bagdad right after Kuwait was 'liberated'.

Date:

04/04/03

Time:

05:28 PM

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From Contributor Paul Wanewright;

Here is to out brave men and women in uniform who are now serving in Iraq; Afghanistan and overseas. I have no use for those who live in the land of the free and yet they condemn this country every step of the way. You know; the blame America first crowd that has infected our educational institutions across this country. Mere socialist and leftist communist many of these higher "education" people.

Date:

04/04/03

Time:

05:29 PM

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Date:

04/04/03

Time:

06:15 PM

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For the Canadian that said the female private is not a hero. Seems to me, she was in Iraq fighting to keep the the world free and you and you're Canadian army is sitting at home like pansies waiting to come out once we have scared away the bad guys. I think she is a much bigger hero than you.

For the liberal that implies Iraq doesn't have chemical weapons, I heard report today they found mustard gas and others. I'm sure more will prove the wisdom of Bush right and he will go down as one of the greatest Presidents of the US, one with courage and foresight.

Date:

04/04/03

Time:

09:03 PM

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What would a liberal Canadian know about heroism anyway? His idea of heroism is shouting anti american slogans at visiting kids. http://www.nationalpost.com/

Date:

04/04/03

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09:19 PM

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People of the World, Unite to Defeat the US-UK Invasion and Occupation of Iraq! -- Statement by the Committee of the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement

24 March 2003

The long-announced crime has begun as hundreds of thousands of US aggressor troops storm into Iraq with their ever-faithful UK partners scurrying along. An unprecedented air attack is battering Baghdad. Yet far from cowering in 'shock and awe" at the invincibility of US imperialism, people all over the world are filled with anger at these crimes and rising up in fierce and determined struggle.

The aggressors lash out, murder and maim; they are vicious enemies. But they can be defeated because they create ever more powerful armies of their own gravediggers, just as they are doing today on a worldwide scale. This is why Mao Tsetung long ago pointed out that, despite their very real and vicious teeth, "imperialism and reactionaries are paper tigers".

Even before the war started, the determined struggle of the people of all countries ripped the UN fig-leaf off the US war plans and tore off its cloak of "victim of September 11", leaving Bush and his gang exposed and extremely isolated. The mask of democracy covering the imperialist dictatorships in Britain, Spain, Italy and other countries has become severely tattered as the rulers trample on the clear will of the vast majority. Puppet regimes in the Middle East and elsewhere are shaken and weakened. RIM salutes all those who have participated in this great and unprecedented mass movement on every continent--you have already changed history, but we have far more difficult battles ahead. In launching the desperate Iraq gamble despite his isolated and exposed position, George Bush and his reactionary circle have placed a great challenge before us. They hope that with a quick victory they can roll over all opposition, recover their losses and get back on their path of remodelling the whole Middle East to serve the interests of US world domination. But if they are unable to accomplish this quick victory, if their invasion and occupation lead to protracted resistance from the people everywhere, if the plans for the "Greater American Middle East" are ultimately defeated, it will be a great victory for the people and will drive the progress of the whole world revolution forward.

The Revolutionary Internationalist Movement is the embryonic centre of the world's Maoist forces. Parties of our Movement are present in a number of the key arenas of today's struggle. It is a source of pride to our Movement that our comrades of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA, are waging a courageous and daring fight in the very belly of the imperialist beast, uniting with and leading an important section of the American people to oppose and resist the war of aggression being waged in their name. In Turkey and the northern Kurdistan area, the Maoist Communist Party is taking up the fight against the invasion and occupation of Iraq as part of the Party's efforts to intensify the armed resistance it has long been waging against the reactionary Turkish state. In Iran, where US troops are now on the border and which Bush has announced as one of the next victims of his crusade, comrades of the Communist Party of Iran MLM are hard at work preparing for the conflicts looming ahead in that country. The Communist Party of Afghanistan, working under conditions of US military occupation, is holding the red flag high and developing the programme and methods necessary to carry the resistance to a new level. In these countries and many others all over the world, parties, organisations and sympathisers of RIM are joining with the swelling current of people's resistance, fighting to build and strengthen Marxist-Leninist-Maoist parties and organisations, and preparing new leaps in the people's revolutionary struggle.

All those who are looking for a real way to overthrow the system of imperialism need to seriously come to grips with the revolutionary worldview, politics and approach of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism.

As the imperialist system spews forth a new torrent of reactionary violence, repression, terror and death, cast your eyes to the Himalayas where, in the words of the Internationale, "A better world's in birth!" Starting only in 1996 with a few rifles captured from the enemy, under the leadership of the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist), a participating RIM party, a powerful people's army has been built up, the great bulk of the countryside has been liberated and political power has been placed in the hands of the peasants, new traditions and culture are flourishing, and virtually the whole society has been united in support of the revolutionary cause.

The history of imperialism has been the history of the rise and collapse of successive empires. The British Empire once ruled half the world. France ruled much of Africa and the Middle East, but was defeated in Vietnam and Algeria. Hitler captured most of Europe and declared a "thousand year Reich" that quickly collapsed when faced with the determined resistance of the Soviet Union. Japan set up an empire controlling China and most of East Asia. Yet the sun has set on all these empires. The future of the US imperialist empire is no exception -- it too is headed for extinction.

But history has to be made by the proletariat and the people. The imperialists will never listen to reason and they will never voluntarily step out of the way of humanity's progress. Their system is based on sucking the life and labour out of people all over the world, and they can only preserve this "paradise" through violent assault combined with sugar-coated deception. The struggle will no doubt be difficult. The stage has been set for a great drama. Now is the time for heroes.

People of the World, Unite to Defeat the US-UK Aggression and Occupation of Iraq!

Peoples of the Middle East, Take Destiny into your own Hands!

Look to the Himalayas, a Better World's in Birth!

Long Live Proletarian Internationalism--Long Live RIM!

(Distributed by A World to Win / 27 Old Gloucester Street / London, WCIN 3XX UK) http://www.awtw.org/

This article is posted on Revolutionary Worker Online http://rwor.org

Date:

04/04/03

Time:

09:31 PM

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Excuse me while I laugh:

"But, then, the whole world would be better off without a certain Mr. Bush. In fact, he is far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein.

So, should we bomb Bush out of the White House?

We can expose George Bush and Tony Blair - and their allies - for the cowardly baby killers, water poisoners, and pusillanimous long-distance bombers that they are."

-Arundhati Roy

Porto Alegre, Brazil

January 27, 2003

Date:

04/04/03

Time:

09:44 PM

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Some more nuggets from the speech that I fail to decipher. Maybe its just me... maybe its Miss Roy without a clue!

"Censorship, surveillance, the suspension of civil liberties and human rights, the definition of who is an Indian citizen and who is not, particularly with regard to religious minorities, is becoming common practice now." Gee, I didn't know, I lived in a Talibanized nation!

"Before September 11th 2001 America had a secret history. Secret especially from its own people. But now America’s secrets are history, and its history is public knowledge. It’s street talk." Now what exactly does this mean??

"In January this year, the Government that orchestrated the killing was voted back into office with a comfortable majority." Who did that??!... the government voted itself back into power?? Hmmmm!

Take a bow, Miss Arundhati Roy. You have finally found your calling. You would make a good stand-up comic! It's already well-known that this one-book wonder is going around the world spouting what her home state-Kerala taught her--communism. She lives a 5-star life, feeds off the "evil" corporates that fund her lectures and help sell her work, and she speaks against them to return favour! How wonderful! Hypocrisy, thy name is Arundhati Roy!

She seems to be obsessed with bashing everything that the present govt. does. Like the others have pointed out, her arguments are completely disjointed, and she has no clue what she's talking about. To top it, no other publication except Outlook has "recognized" her award from Lannan Foundation.

Date:

04/04/03

Time:

10:01 PM

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Here is another recipient of th Prestigious Lannan award (along with the Eugene V Debbs award): Howard Zinn

Marx in Soho is a brilliant introduction to Marx's life his analysis of society and his passion for radical change and the relevance of Marx's ideas for today. Activist and historian Howard Zinn is the author of A People's History of the United States and emeritus professor at Boston University. He is the recipient of the Eugene V. Debs and Lannan Foundation awards. Praise for Marx in Soho An imaginative critique of our society's hypocrisies and injustices, and an entertaining, vivid portrait of Karl Marx as a voice of humanitarion justice - which is perhaps the best way to remember him. -- Kirkus Reviews A cleverly imagined call to reconsider socialist theory...Zinn's point is well made; his passion for history melds with his political vigor to make this a memorable effort and a lucid primer for readers desiring a succinct, dramatized review of Marxism. -- Publishers Weekly Even in heaven it seems, Karl Marx is a troublemaker. But in the deft and loving hands of activist/author/historian Howard Zinn, the historical figure...is also a father, a husband and a futurist possessing a grand sense of humor. -- ForeWord A witty delight that will engage both new and old acquaintances of the Marxian corpus....even conservatives will find Zinn's [book]...an intelligent and diverting read. Recommended for academic and public libraries alike. Library Journal Zinn has written a wonderful play that people should read, perform and use. -- Socialist Worker

Date:

04/04/03

Time:

10:29 PM

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"you and you're Canadian army is sitting at home like pansies"

A) I am 100% pro-war

B) It wasn't me who decided for our army to stay at home it was our jack-ass frenchie Prime Minister. I would rather see our troops over there.

C) Us pansies for sitting out on a tinny war? That must make you even bigger pansies for refusing to join WW1 and WW2 until you were forced into them.

D) 2 tours of 1,500 canadian troops are going to be sent to Afghanistan on peacekeeping missions to ensure that what happend doesn't happen again.

E) In about 5 years I will be going on a peacekeeping tour,then come back and join the police force which is more than you can ever say you did for your country.

And just to point something out, us Canadians do not yell anti-american slogans at the people of your country. We yell at the American governments ways of thinking they have the right to do whatever, whenever they want. I think The United States is a great country but along with every other country there are still things that can be changed. I hate Jean Chretien, I think he's a fool who has been in office for way to long and has not changed his ways since he first entered office. In some ways it's because of him that our army is as weak as it is. For example, it's because of him that we are still using the piece of crud Sea King helicopters.

And I don't know if you know this but a large part of the technology your army is using in Iraq is from Canada. For example, your LAV vehicles are straight out of Canada with some minor US modifications. A lot of the computer technology in some vehicles are made by Canadian companies. And if one of our ex-Prime Ministers wasn't such an ass and your President at the same time was such an ass, we would have a much stronger economy from the aircraft technology we had.

Fact: After the Avro Arrow project was cancelled for political reasons and was replaced with the Bomarc missiles (wich were obsolete before they were made), it took the US 30 years to develop the F-18A which was still inferior to the Avro Arrow. At 3/4 throtle the Avro Arrow could still leave the F-18A(at full throtle) in the dust.

Date:

04/05/03

Time:

02:17 AM

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Who is "blaming America"? I have yet to hear the 'flag-waving' pseudo-patriots on the right provide any valid examples...except for a few radical anarchists who they portray as representing 'the liberals'. Nobody is 'blaming' America...'it's the government stupid!'. I support our troops 100%, as do the people who think this war is a big mistake. I trust our government about as far as I can physically throw it, however. The right-wing bunch has been fueling the fires of hate with anti-freedom propaganda for months with nothing more than wild rumors, fabricated stories, and the typical boastful rhetoric. I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who said "fight for country, not for government". As a Libertarian, I strongly agree. Suspicion of our government is our Constitutional right, and should be exercised to the fullest, especially when the lives of our men and women in uniform are at serious risk. 'Time of war' is no excuse. Never remain silent, that is the first step to forefiting freedom.

Date:

04/05/03

Time:

02:33 AM

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Of course Saddam has bio and chemical weapons: the right-wing conservatives during the Reagan-Bush Administration provided it. Not to mention all the 'refills' of VX, Anthrax, and other agents. There are quite a few 'conservatives' from that administration who are now millionares several times over, living well on blood money. When it comes to 'selling out America', I wonder which is actually more dangerous: the 'liberals' who speak out on the issues, or the 'conservatives' who have profited from arming and supporting corrupt tyrants and their murderous regimes? Don't just hate the monster, hate the ones who created it as well.

Date:

04/05/03

Time:

07:10 AM

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These words were spoken by the Rev. Martin Luther King exactly one year before he was assassinated on April 4, 1968. These are words he might have spoken yesterday. Matilda

"I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government." Rev. Martin Luther King. 4 April 1967

Date:

04/05/03

Time:

10:46 AM

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Si ils etaient Lybiens, Palestiniens ou Algeriens, ils auraient ete les bienvenus a l'Elysee. Chirac et De Villepin n'ont pas de couilles.

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/030404/202/34s46.html

Date:

04/05/03

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11:32 AM

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Date:

04/05/03

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12:42 PM

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"If liberals ever decide to defend themselves, they will be blessed with an unlimited supply of ammunition. The conservative movement is chock full of pseudo-moralizing faux patriots who believe that the Ten Commandments were meant only for others to keep and who enthusiastically support wars in which they are personally unwilling to fight. They prosper because hypocrisy and contempt for the truth become liabilities only when aggressively challenged; regrettably, the challenges have been few and far between.

Conservatism is an intellectually and morally bankrupt elitist movement that exists to enrich the few by manipulating the fears of the many. Right-wingers are repressive and belligerent, but – like all bullies - they are dependent on no one calling their bluff. When forcefully confronted, conservatism collapses under the weight of its own decadence."

PLEASE, my friends, take the time to read the article from which the above paragraphs were taken. You'll see that we CAN take our country back.....all it takes is GUTS!! Here's the url:

http://www.buzzflash.com/buzzscripts/buzz.dll/sub3

Date:

04/05/03

Time:

03:20 PM

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This beautifiul "Letter to America" appeared yesterday, April 4th in the International Herald Tribune. It was written by a Canadian novelist, Margaret Atwood, a big-hearted lady who loves America and wonders what's happening to us. You can read the entire letter at: http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0404-07.htm I hope you will take the time to read it and think about it honestly and fairly. Then let us hear from you on this message board. Matilda

Date:

04/05/03

Time:

07:16 PM

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Is anyone else disgusted by the yellow-ribbon protest in Fieldsboro, NJ? The mayor can't allow any sort of decoration on public signs--otherwise every schmuck out there would obscure these signs with whatever crap they're peddling.

This whole Fieldsboro thing is a joke. We have people dying over there (I think American casualties doubled in the past day or so), but these folks reduce the issue to yellow ribbons. While watching news coverage of this ridiculous uproar, I saw one brilliant individual liken the protesting citizens of Fieldsboro to the soldiers on the battlefield. Now there's a lack of proportion for you. The headlines on this thing should put the issue in perspective: "Slack-Jawed Morons Battle Perfectly Reasonable Ordinance." Hopefully the Onion will weigh in on this with hilarious results...

Date:

04/05/03

Time:

09:00 PM

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The post with a quote of MLK would ring more sincere if it was an echo of a message that would have been posted regarding the bombing of Yugoslavia during the last administration. Was the government the greatest purveyor of violence when Clinton was in power?

If we wish to quote MLK:

"I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Note that for all the faults with the government of his day, he still believed in the American Dream. He wanted people judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin, i.e. not by quotas.

I also find it interesting that all the sudden this board finds wisdom in the words of a reverend.

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04/05/03

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09:52 PM

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Yeah, especially when the liberals are wanting the University of Michigan to use race as a reason to GIVE merits points for admission and scholarships.

Typical.

Date:

04/06/03

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01:30 AM

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Re: US military casualties. According to several Middle Eastern-based news agencies, including Al Geezera, the Pentagon is not providing an accurate number of American and coalition (British and Australian) forces that have been killed in combat. US news angencies have been told to report 'very low casuality numbers' inorder to keep the American public behind the Bush Administration. While Americans are being told that US military casualties are 'around 100', they are actually 'around 1000', according to the Arab media. Iraqi civilian casualties are claimed to be 'well over 10,000' and climbing.

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04/06/03

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01:43 AM

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yeah, especially when conservatives want to keep the 'status quo' and allow 'white' students who have low grades and test scores to be 'grandfathered' into college...just like George W. Bush! conservatives really must be missing the 'good 'ol days' of segregation and disenfranchisement. *recommended reading for "Typical": "Death of the West", by Pat Buchanan. white America is shrinking.

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04/06/03

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03:18 AM

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http://www.cswnet.com/~dgh/3untitled.html

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04/06/03

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08:42 AM

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For the poster on 4/6 @ 1:43 AM: Do I have this right, you want to give preferential treatment to people based on the color of their skin?

Also, according to several Middle Eastern-based news agencies, including Al Geezera the coalition forces have been beaten back from the airport and have not entered Baghdad. I suggest you don't rely on them for your facts.

Date:

04/06/03

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05:08 PM

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Finally a voice of reason, from Canada no less:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?

Date:

04/06/03

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05:32 PM

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I don't trust any media for death counts. The medias are just having a war themselves, a propaganda war.

Date:

04/06/03

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10:03 PM

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Didn't someone say earlier there was no need for tort reform:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/

To sum it up, legal team paid $13,100 per hour.

Date:

04/06/03

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10:08 PM

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Notice the clients, the people whom Judge Byron found to have been duped by "light" cigarettes: One lead plaintiff, Sharon Price of East Alton, was awarded about $11,400, and the other, Mike Fruth of Edwardsville, got about $17,800.

That seems fair. Right anti-Bush liberals?

Date:

04/07/03

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06:27 AM

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After listening to more than two years of "Bush is stupid" and "Bush stole the election" I'm beginning to wonder if the numbskulls who repeat these mantras are actually starting to believe them. Let's be honest, the purpose of these lies is to first, gain control of the debate by default. How can the other side be right if they're led by a dolt? How can stopping a 14-year old from getting an abortion without her parents knowledge be permitted if an idiot thinks she should be? Obviously, the “smart” person lets her do it. Right? As for the sour grapes over the election, what better excuse for a bunch of crybabies who couldn't believe "St. Al" lost, than to simply pretend he didn't. This not only gives you the rhetorical high-ground of being the REAL choice of the "people" (never mind this choice wasn't born out in the 2002 elections - details details...) even though you weren't, but it also gives traitorous scum like Hillary Clinton and Tom Daschle the cover they need to subvert the Constitution and attempt to co-opt the Executive privilege of appointing judges for themselves so they can appoint more "activist" judges who prefer writing law from the bench to simply enforcing already established law - the only way the "Left" can get their radical notions enforced. They certainly don't have much luck at the ballot box with them. But before you accuse Bush of being the dope again, think about something. Bush, the real President, has an MBA from Harvard. The guy who plays one on TV flunked his SAT's and couldn't even get into college. Any college. Name-calling isn’t a winning debate tactic. It’s an admission of intellectual defeat.

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04/07/03

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04:08 PM

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I just heard that 60% of Iraqis were dependant on government programs. This is a country where that 60% of the population could be potential Democrats.

Date:

04/07/03

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05:17 PM

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If you believe there is no reason to declare war on Iraq, that the CIA is behind the shuttle disaster, that Bush stole the election, that taxes are good for the economy, and are having trouble convincing all the idiots that you are right, consider yourself lucky. We are having trouble convincing people of a much more evident fact. Please come read the real truth: http://www.mi.uib.no/~stromme/apologetikk/flatjord.html

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04/07/03

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06:06 PM

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"Thanks to the most crudely partisan decision in the history of the Supreme Court, the nation has been given a President of painfully limited wisdom and compassion and lacking any sense of the nation's true greatness. Appearing to enjoy his role as Commander in Chief of the armed forces above all other functions of his office, and unchecked by a seemingly timid Congress, a compliant Supreme Court, a largely subservient press and a corrupt corporate plutocracy, George W. Bush has set the nation on a course for one-man rule." -- George McGovern To our readers: You can read George McGovern's entire letter on our Update Page. Matilda

Date:

04/07/03

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06:23 PM

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Thanks to a Supreme Court that choses to follow the Constitution (rather than twist it to fit their agenda) the nation has been given a President of great character and foresight. Appearing comfortable in his role as Commander in Chief and with a twice voted support of Congress, George W. Bush has set the nation on a course towards eradicating the world of terrorist.

Matilda and her liberal friends remmind me of the Minister of Information of Iraq. He has the same tired rhetoric and repeats it when he knows it's incorrect and makes him look like a fool.

Peter, New York

Date:

04/07/03

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08:29 PM

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BAGDAD (Reuters) - Au dix-neuvième jour de la guerre en Irak, des troupes américaines ont pénétré lundi au coeur de Bagdad, où elles se heurtent à une sérieuse résistance des forces irakiennes engagées dans la guérilla urbaine prédite par Saddam Hussein.

A lire Khaled Yacoub Oweis ci-haut sur Yahoo actualités, il faudrait croire que l'Irak va gagner, mais il écrit le plus souvent pour Libération. J'ai honte d'être francais. Il faudrait un changement de régime en France.

Date:

04/07/03

Time:

08:42 PM

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Can nothing go right for the liberals today?!?!?

Middle ages warmer than today:

http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/

But the review was carried out by a team from Harvard University. Probably not reliable.

Date:

04/08/03

Time:

10:14 AM

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Boy, our nation should be indeed grateful to the voters of Minnesota who turned away the last gasp of the aging lefty, George McGovern.

Here's an excerpt from Andrew Sullivan (may it serve as a wakeup call to Matilda):

THE ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT: It now commands 16 percent support in the population at large. Boomers, the group most likely to be seeing this war through the prism of Vietnam, now support it in greater numbers than any other age-group. Here's an email from someone perhaps typical of his generation:

I am part of that baby boomer generation and like many I demonstrated against that war in Viet Nam. But unlike some I do realize it is not 1969 anymore. Viet Nam was a very long, costly and ugly war. The divisions did not come overnight and for many they will not go away. It is part of their identity, their very purpose in life. Many felt the same after the American Civil War. It took a generation then and it might take a generation now for enough time and distance to come about to see that war and its legacy in proper perspective. I supported the government in this endeavor for the simple reason that I am an American and I don't like fascist dictators the likes of Saddam Hussein. They can call that simplistic, but then again so is their knee jerk anti Americanism. There is nothing sadder than an old hippie trying to regain his/her youth through the manipulation of others and at the expense of a suffering people they claim to feel sympathy for. I hate the destruction, but I also hate doing nothing while hundreds of thousands of people die. I guess some of my generation and the UN security council have no such qualms.Has any large protest movement been this much of a failure so soon?

Date:

04/08/03

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12:36 PM

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All of yall are the biggest bunch of morons ive ever heard. You call Bush an uneducated tyrant? How about you do a little research about his education. I garuntee you that it is far more extensive then any education you retards have recieved. How about if you dont like it here in America then you just move your happy little ass to France or Germany. We can do just fine without all yall hippy protestors. And the only reason you even have a voice to protest is because people have fought in wars like this before. Its pathetic that people are using the rights they fought for to turn against them. YALL SUCK.

Date:

04/08/03

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12:59 PM

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FYI,

Matilda DID leave the US and moved to France.

You are right, but sound a little uneducated. From the south?

Date:

04/08/03

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03:35 PM

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Yeah, and hears my picture

Date:

04/08/03

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03:59 PM

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The following is from an immensely interesting transcript of Barbara Bush (GWB's mama) on an ABC-TV morning show. She was asked if she and her husband, the former president, watch television.

"He sits and listens and I read books because I know perfectly well that - don't take offense - that 90 percent of what I hear on television is supposition, when we're talking about the news. And he's not, not as understanding of my pettiness about that. But why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many, what day it's going to happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Oh, I mean, it's, not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? And watch him suffer."

Interesting insight into the "beautiful mind" of Georgie's Mama.....don't you agree? Matilda

Date:

04/08/03

Time:

04:06 PM

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Regarding global warming, please go away, you are insulting my opinion with your facts.

Those who never retract their opinions love themselves more than they love the truth. -- Joseph Joubert

Date:

04/08/03

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05:52 PM

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Pretty sad Matlida. Are you now reduced to making fun and insulting President Bush's mother? Why don't you make fun of how President Reagan is wasting away with feeding tubes, not knowing who he or any of his loved ones are?

You are very sad.

Date:

04/08/03

Time:

07:14 PM

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No, maybe she'd prefer Jew bashing. That seems to be the thing in France now.

Date:

04/09/03

Time:

07:21 AM

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Columbia University Assistant Professor of Anthropology Nicholas DeGenova: At a recent “teach-in” on Columbia’s campus he told the anti-war gathering that he would like to see "a million Mogadishus," a chilling reference to the 1993 ambush in Somalia that killed 18 American servicemen (it also killed several hundred Somalis). "The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military,” spewed DeGenova. For good measure, he added that those Americans who call themselves "patriots" are nothing but white supremacists.

At an anti-Israel rally last April: "The heritage of the victims of the Holocaust belongs to the Palestinian people. The state of Israel has no claim to the heritage of the Holocaust.”

Are the peacenicks proud of him? He should move to France, where he would be mainstream.

Peter Newark

PS Going after "Georgie's mother" is as much a mark of integrity as commenting on Chelsea Clinton's beauty.

Date:

04/09/03

Time:

12:54 PM

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Here is a single paragraph from a superb article by William Rivers Pitt. You can (and you should) read his whole article at the url which follows:

"Here in Boston, the winter does not want to end. It started early, in mid-October, and has roared on and on with no sign of a letup. It snowed yesterday, again. It has been cold, and it has been raw. This has been, without question, the longest winter in my memory. Add to this a war without cause, an administration without shame, and an American people who have been fed a lie so verbose that their televisions can scarcely contain it." http://truthout.org/docs_03/041003A.shtml

I would appreciate hearing your comments after you have read Pitt's article. Matilda

Date:

04/09/03

Time:

02:16 PM

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Great Article. It shows the liberal gloom and doom, the sky is falling mentality. “I am forced to wonder if the flowers will ever bloom again.” Give me a break.

Why did the liberals not protest the savage reign of terror Saddam Hussein had over his people? He executed and tortured far more people than there were Coalition forces and civilians that were injured or killed in this war. He would have continued to do so if we had not liberated them.

See the Iraqi people on TV today dancing in the streets and saying USA is # 1. War is horrible, but the Americans that were killed and injured, were there of their own free will so that the people of Iraq can be free to voice their opinions

Hopefully, not like the protestors in Oakland that were trying to disrupt supplies that American forces needed for survival. Like those that tried to disrupt the supply lines in Iraq, they should have been shot and those that survived should have been arrested for aiding the enemy and tried for treason. I feel they were treated much too easily.

And yes, the winter was long and cold. That’s because global warming, like all the other liberal scare tactics is just a myth (see link post on 4/7).