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Date:: 03/01/03
Time:: 04:41 AM

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Date:: 03/01/03
Time:: 06:29 PM

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Eistein said: "first of all, if you are driving while intoxicated then you are primarily at fault: the tree, the car, and the bar are totally irrelevant; if you are breaking the law to begin with, chances are that your so-called 'lawsuit' would'nt even get within a mile of the courthouse"

Wrong. In Louisiana, on I 10 near the texas border there was an outcry because the State was cutting down 100+ year old trees that were in the median between the east and west bound lanes. Why? because there were too many lawsuits over drivers hitting the trees when they fell asleep, or were drunk and dove off the road.

Fortunately, the public outcry saved many of the trees, but not before 30 or 40 of the pricelss 100+ giants were destroyed.

Date:: 03/02/03
Time:: 02:53 AM

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Pundit said: "Eistien", are you referring to "Einstein"? if you are going to resort to name calling, for God's sake...spell it correctly! As for what the state of Louisiana has done recently, i really wouldn't know since i am from New York, so i obviously was unaware of the what was happening in the backwoods on I-10 near the Texas boarder. Perhaps if the folks in your neck of the woods chose to act more responsibly, they would not have to cut down the trees, since the trees are obviously not the problem. If you want to get 'knit-picky', i could talk about some things that are going on where i live that you know nothing about...'Eistein'. I notice that the pundit has to resort to news on a very local "who cares" level, since they clearly are still avoiding many of the previous posts regarding major national and international issues: maybe there are too many big words?

Date:: 03/02/03
Time:: 03:14 AM

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To the other person who thinks name calling makes them appear smarter...and i give you credit for at least spelling 'Einstein' correctly...in case in your infinite legal wisdom you forgot, it is illegal to set 'booby-traps' in any home or business. it is regarded as a form of vigilanteism, which as you should know is also illegal. as for shooting an intruder: depending on the circumstances, there have been numerous situations where the home / business owner used excessive force, especially when the intruder was shot in the back attempting to flee. the police are not allowed to shoot fleeing suspects in the back either. i have read many of these stories about home-owners defending themselves against intruders, and i will tell you that most of them are not as they seem. my father was a medical examiner for over thirty years, and personally investigated thousands of wrongful 'executions' of people by individuals who claimed that they were protecting themselves: and it never failed that the local newspapers would hail them as a 'hero' long before the investigation was ever completed. many of these 'heroes' ended up being found guilty of murder once all of the facts were in. so don't believe everything you read in the news or online...you don't get the entire story.

Date:: 03/02/03
Time:: 03:36 AM

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...and i forgot to add: so if the legal costs are so astronomical, why do you think so many people oppose Bush's Tort Reform attempts? will the creation of a $250,000 dollar limitation make things better or worse? for someone who claims that they did 'research', using 'Yahoo' of all things, you fell short with your arguments. as for my attitude towards 'the pundit', i strongly suggest you go back and read the collection of their 'baiting' comments and clear ignorance of the issues, not to mention a dictionary of name-calling. i actually did some 'real' research and found the information...i did not fabricate it. if you think my 'standing up' to people like this using backed-up knowledge is 'arrogant', so be it, it is your right to have objections, and at least i would never try to silence your voice, unlike many out there who are attempting to. if you don't believe me, just visit a few right-wing sites to see their tolerance regarding "Freedom of Speech". i have been a big fan of Bill Maher from his Comedy Central days to his recent resurrection on HBO. his book "Riding With Bin Laden" is great. if you listen to Bill and what he has to say, he is alot more critical than me. people on the right are afraid of him, and his good friend Michael Moore. oh yea, and never say or apologize that you "don't mean to sound harsh" and then follow that statement with another insult...it makes you look like a liar. if you mean something, stand by it and don't make excuses after wards. it's like when people say: "let me be honest with you...", or "to tell you the truth..."; what do you expect, the truth?

Date:: 03/02/03
Time:: 03:44 AM

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hello

Date:: 03/02/03
Time:: 09:19 AM

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Ok, for national news that has been ignored by this group.

How about the Dimocrats (must be a typo, like Eistein) playing political gains to keep Miguel Estrada, President Bush's nominee to the D.C. Circuit Court from being appointed. He is the first Hispanic ever nominated, who the American Bar Association unanimously gave its highest qualification rating. Remember: the left considers the ABA's blessing the key factor.

The Republicans have 55 or 56 votes to confirm Estrada, and the Constitution says they only need 51. Democrats want to effectively and illegally amend that requirement to a super majority of 60 votes - the number needed to break a filibuster - and thereby shred the Constitution of the United States and steal a presidential power.

Date:: 03/02/03
Time:: 10:41 AM

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The Bush Cartel: They've hijacked God -- and they've hijacked democracy. Don't give up the fight. Your lives and the future of this great country are at stake. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are driving us on a power-drunk 200 miles per hour joy ride into the jaws of Armageddon. This isn't democracy. It's insanity in a ten-gallon hat.

A BUZZFLASH EDITORIAL

Date:: 03/02/03
Time:: 12:16 PM

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What kind of drugs have you been taking?

Date:: 03/02/03
Time:: 04:56 PM

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Why haven't the "liberal pundits" replied to the person who posted on the Estrada filibuster?

Date:: 03/02/03
Time:: 05:56 PM

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There is no such thing, at this date of the world’s history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it… The business of the Journalist is to destroy truth; To lie outright; To pervert; To vilify; To fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals for rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and or lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes. – John Swinton, former Chief of Staff, The New York Times, circa 1880

Date:: 03/02/03
Time:: 07:09 PM

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Einstein, you sure get testy. May be it has to do with being from New York. I once had a stopover in New York on a flight back from Paris, and New Yorkers made the Parisians seem charming by comparison. Quite an accomplishment.

Coincidentally and very appropriately, I just finished reading that the average fee per lawyer working on New York's portion of the 1998 multistate tobacco settlement was $14,000 an hour(source: State Supreme Court Justice Charles E. Ramos of New York ). Does that qualify as a local "who cares" news item? It seems you dismissed the poster from Louisiana as a backwoods hick, just what I would expect from the northeastern elite who know better than the rest of the country.

I will challenge you to prove that high awards have made our existence safer. It should be easy for you to demonstrate that states without malpractice caps have better medical outcomes and survivals than those states with such caps. Maybe you can tell us all how a 40% lawyer tax added to the price of a ladder has made it a safer utensil.

Regarding the post on vigilantism (please note the correct spelling) being illegal: I agree with you. I may sympathize with the owner who was trying to defend his property, but if he broke the law, the consequences should be set in the penal code, not by a mob of ambulance chasing lawyers. In any case, I am truly impressed by your medical examiner father who "personally investigated thousands of wrongful 'executions' of people by individuals who claimed that they were protecting themselves". Chicago led the nation in 1998 with 698 murders, New York had 646 in 2001. About two thirds of those were by firearms. Many of the rest of those were gang and drug related. That does not leave many that may have been committed by home owners protecting their homes or property. Since New York has strict gun laws restricting law abiding citizens, you may prefer New Orleans, which once led the nation's murder rate. However, despite (or perhaps because of) citizens being able to apply for concealed weapons permits, there were only 164 murders in 2000. Again, that does not leave many self defense cases. I submit that you pulled your statistics from a place where the sun rarely shines. Rather than call you a liar, I will ask you to tell what city we are dealing with, and I will gladly attempt to do the research to prove that you assertion is an impossibility.

Bring it on!!!

Date:: 03/03/03
Time:: 06:21 AM

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Re: Hello

Date:: 03/03/03
Time:: 11:20 AM

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Ann Clwyd: 'I support the government. It's doing a brave thing'

Patrick Wintour, chief political correspondent Thursday February 27, 2003 The Guardian

Labour leftwinger Ann Clwyd, a long-standing supporter of Kurdish rights in northern Iraq, last night in the Commons recounted individual horror stories of the suffering inflicted on ethnic minorities by Saddam Hussein's regime.

Ms Clwyd told MPs: "I believe in regime change, and I say that without any hesitation at all, and I will support the government tonight because I think it's doing a brave thing."

Returning from Kurdistan this week, she said she had cried after hearing from victims of torture.

Ms Clwyd, MP for Cynon Valley, told of an under-nourished university teacher who had given birth in prison and begged guards for milk to feed her child. The guards refused and the baby died.

"For three days she held that baby in her arms and would not give the body up. After three days due to the 60-degree heat, the body of course started to smell, and [the woman] was taken away and killed."

She also told of a 15-year-old boy tortured and crucified, and pinned against the prison window. When he begged for water a prisoner who came to his aid was beaten up.

She found many refugees had been ethnically cleansed for being Kurds.

"That's the reality of Saddam's Iraq," she said. "When I hear people calling for more time, I say, who is going to speak up for those victims? Who is to help the victims of Saddam's regime unless we do it?"

She said the regime should be indicted for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide, and it was her great regret that Britain had not led the way to regime change in Iraq when it had the chance during the first Gulf war.

Date:: 03/04/03
Time:: 04:33 AM

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where is this person who is 'raving and ranting' incoherently getting their so-called facts? 40% of the price of a ladder is 'lawyer fees'? people that live in the northeast are 'elitists'? lawyers for big-tobacco companies made $14,000 an hour? and that's when they are not out 'chasing ambulances'! what planet are you from? what are you talking about? you have made no sense at all in your arguments. what are you trying to say with those 'crime and gun' statements anyway? i can't tell if you are for or against guns, and you seem to think that the majority of crimes are being committed by 'gangs': are you saying 'blacks and minorities' are committing the majority of crimes in this country? are blacks and hispanics responsible for the drug problem? because it sure sounds that way. your homicide rates are not accurate: it sounds like you got your info from the NRA, who are trying to scare all of the 'white people' in America with propganda! there were over 11,500 gun related deaths in the US last year, so you are coming up a bit short with those 'estimates'. you have also not provided any statistical info regarding any 'self-defense'cases, infact, you have shown no correlations between anything you have been talking about. in a previous post you claimed that there were many instances of home-owners defending themselves with a gun: now you have stated that there are very few home-owners that have protected themselves with a gun. well, which is it? you are so typical of those on the right: you talk alot about absolutely nothing, and are an obvious expert at it. keep listening to Rush Limbaugh and tell us all what he has to say today. "Bring it on!" wow, you sure are confident in you own mind! i better not mess with you! idiot.

Date:: 03/04/03
Time:: 04:46 AM

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If Saddam is so damn evil, then why did the US goverment put him on the payroll for over a decade? or did he recently become an evil bastard? i find the hypocracy so overwhelming: these people want to go to war now to save the Iraqi people? where was this compassion and caring 10 years ago? 15 years ago? oh, that was when the 'evil dictator' was your friend, and you gave him billions of dollars, weapons, and the means to produce biological and chemical agents. this was 'good' as long as Saddam murdered Iranians; it was 'bad' when he invaded Kuwait and threatened US oil interests in the region. Americans have a bad habit of becoming 'humanitarians' only when their money and resources become threatened. take off the mask, everyone already knows what is underneath it...and it's not a pretty face.

Date:: 03/04/03
Time:: 04:51 AM

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the Democrats want to 'shread' the Constitution? i guess someone must have picked up all of the pieces and taped it back together again after the Repunditcans tore it up back in 2000.

Date:: 03/04/03
Time:: 06:48 AM

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This editorial pretty much sums up the problem with lawyers today as well as the mindset of the liberal establishment:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/kathleenparker/welcome.shtml

Date:: 03/04/03
Time:: 06:59 AM

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THE REAL AGENDAS: And one reason to pay only limited attention to the howls of outrage as the U.S. and U.K. do what is necessary is the fact that very little of the opposition to this war is actually about this war. For some it's about "war" in general - a newly empowered new age pacifism. For France, it's about ... France, and its eclipse as a power of any significance. France's crisis is deepened by the fact that a successful war against Saddam could also accelerate the end of the Franco-German bloc as the power-house of the European Union. For Russia, it's about money. For the Germans, it's about a new national identity. The Germans have never been able to sustain a moderate polity on their own. They veer from extreme romantic militarism to romantic pacifism. Their current abdication of all strategic responsibility for Europe or the wider world is just another all-too-familiar spasm from German history. For the broader anti-war forces in Europe, it's about American uni-polar power - and the need to counteract it, even if it's being put to good use. For still others, especially in the Vatican and France, it's the old Jew-hatred again. For the Democrats, it's about getting back to prescription drugs. For the anti-war left in America, it's really about Bush. The pent-up fury they felt after Florida never found expression or even validation in the wider culture. It was repressed in the first months of a new presidency - and then made irrelevant by 9/11. Finally, they have a chance to demonstrate their hate - which is why so much of the demonstrations' focus has not been on Saddam, Iraq or even war, but on Bush. The anti-Bush left knows that a successful war will only strengthen the president further and marginalize them even more - hence their utter desperation and viciousness today. This is their moment; and the demonstrations are their therapy. Meanwhile, a real and actual problem in global security is being addressed. Thank heavens that for some, this moment really is about Saddam.

Andrew Sullivan

Date:: 03/04/03
Time:: 07:04 AM

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FRANCE IN CRISIS: Fascinating interview in Le Monde with Bernard Kouchner, former socialist minister of health and founding member of Medecins Sans Frontieres. Here's my translation of the last couple of questions and answers: Le Monde: So France is in an impasse? BK: Dead right we're in an impasse. We've deepened the wound in Europe rather than healing it. We've enabled German pacifism, which was a mistake. We've brutalized the Eastern Europeans who have just emerged from dictatorship. That was a second mistake. And then we've opened up a serious split with the United States. That's the charge I bring against the president of the Republic. Le Monde: And your friends, the Socialists? You blame them too? BK: You bet. France's role, before all others, is to be concerned about human rights and to fight dictatorship.Before we write off all of France, we should be aware that some of the French entirely understand the damage Chirac has done to himself, his country, and the security of the world.

Date:: 03/04/03
Time:: 01:11 PM

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IRAQ WAR WILL FEED THE HUNGRY MAWS OF "THE MERCHANTS OF DEATH...NOTHING WILL CHANGE." "Maybe you think that after Saddam Hussein is gone, everyone will live happily ever after, but I'm here to tell you that it will be the same. Nothing will change. No liberal democracy is going to bloom in the ancient desert of old Babylonia. No American will be able to say "I'm safer and freer now" because those young people died in Iraq. No Iraqi standing in the rubble is going to say, "Gee, I'm glad the Americans got rid of Saddam by destroying my home and my family." All this war is going to accomplish is to add to the world's store of misery - more death, more wounded, more destruction, more debt, more poverty, more hatred, more profits for the merchants of death, more pollution and more terrorism. " 3.04.03 www.bushwatch.com

Date:: 03/04/03
Time:: 04:10 PM

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Re: Miguel Estrada nomination to US District Court of Appeals

The previous post on M Estrada, being considered right now for appointment to the highest court, leaves out some very important points: Mr. Estrada has been denounced by many, his opponents, obviously, as an idealogue and one who is unable to break from his own right-wing beliefs when making a judgement. As far as his Hispanic background is concerned, i think this is a moot point to most reasonable Americans, since what is required above all is the top qualified person for the job. That kind of thinking is what has given affirmative action a bad name. And finally, the tensions over Mr. Estrada's appointment are exactly what is needed to examine his case, his opinions and how likely he is to serve the Court of Appeals for ALL Americans. If anyone has further questions about this matter, I suggest you google Mr. Estrada and judge for yourself.

Date:: 03/04/03
Time:: 09:14 PM

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Einstein, the fact that you don't understand my posts does not diminish their factuality. Maybe it is because I am from planet earth that you don't understand, since even if your whole body does not reside there, there is no doubt that your head is firmly implanted in planet Uranus.

Regarding the lawyer's fees, here are a couple of places you can read, since you are obviously too mentally challenged to do your own research. It does not have the pictures most of your books have, the print is more than likely smaller than you are used to, and you may need someone to tell you the meaning of any polysyllabic words:

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1024078863220

http://www.mwe.com/info/pubs/amlawdec2002.pdf

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=1011 (it's toward the bottom under the heading ...$200,000 an hour)

http://www.texansforreasonablelegalfees.com/nyjudge.asp http://www.mwe.com/info/pubs/amlawdec2002.pdf

Very well. Now that I feel I have vindicated the veracity of my posts, I challenge you to find faults with what I wrote, and please give verifiable facts and links, not your usual unfounded hysterical rantings.

I will also renew my request for the name of the city where your "father was a medical examiner for over thirty years, and personally investigated thousands of wrongful 'executions' of people by individuals who claimed that they were protecting themselves". The statistics I cited were to give you an inkling that your numbers were beyond the realm of the possible.

In short, it appears that your penchant for prevarication is exceeded only by your monumental stupidity.

Date:: 03/04/03
Time:: 09:18 PM

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Oh, Einstein, I forgot to add:

Bring it on, moron.

Date:: 03/04/03
Time:: 10:38 PM

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Well Mr. Liberal pundint, I'm going to assume you will ignore all the excellent posts the writer had about the lawyers.

You seem to think that the liberal dimocrats are don't want Estrad because he's not qualified?

Right not qualified!! His Credentials:

After leaving law school, Miguel Estrada, President Bush's nominee for the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, clerked for a federal appeals court judge. He then clerked for Anthony Kennedy at the U.S. Supreme Court. He was then a federal prosecutor in the U.S. attorney's office in New York, and was appointed to serve the solicitor general of the U.S. in the Department of Justice - under both Bush 41 and Clinton. He was an assistant solicitor general under Clinton. Miguel Estrada has argued 15 cases before the Supreme Court - and won two-thirds of them.

Also check out proof liberals don'r care about his qualifications:

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york030403.asp

Hate to burn you twice in the same evening.

Date:: 03/06/03
Time:: 05:52 AM

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This from inside the Bush administration:

"We have not seen such systematic distortion of intelligence, such systematic manipulation of the American people, since the war in Vietnam," wrote John Brady Kiesling, a 20-year veteran of the U.S. Foreign Service in his letter of resignation last week to Secretary of State Colin Powell. Kiesling, who was political counselor in U.S. embassies throughout the Mideast, added that "until this administration, it had been possible to believe that by upholding the policies of my president, I was also upholding the interests of the American people and the world. I believe it no longer."

Date:: 03/06/03
Time:: 07:19 AM

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To be fair, if you consider Mr John Brady Kiesling to be newsworthy since he was a Bush insider, you must have given credence to Mr Gary Aldrich's claims during the last administration. Please note that I pass no judgement on either gentleman.

Date:: 03/06/03
Time:: 07:27 AM

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My gentle readers,

I know you've been having fun chatting back and forth on this Message Board. If it does nothing else, it helps you get things 'off your chest'....and that's fine, whatever your persuasions are. But now I implore you to open your hearts and minds and read the article I'm listing for you. And please try to read it not vindictively if you're a liberal, and not defensively if your a conservative. Anybody can be wrong. The important thing is to look for the truth and recognize it when you see it. I hope I will hear from you either by email or on this board after you have read the following:

"Two years ago a project set up by the men who now surround George W Bush said what America needed was "a new Pearl Harbor". Its published aims have, alarmingly, come true." http://pilger.carlton.com/print/124759

Date:: 03/06/03
Time:: 07:57 AM

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The article is, of course, the opinion of an author that is clearly against the Bush administration. His feelings and statements, though presented as fact, are not.

Like it or not, the 911 attack was a modern Pearl Harbor. It was not orchestrated by the Bush administration. Yes, I beleive the public support it generated was used by the Bush administration to begin a war on terror that was long over due.

A few quotes on the subject:

"If Saddam Hussein fails to comply and we fail to act or we take some ambiguous third route, which gives him yet more opportunities to develop his program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of sanctions and ignore the commitments he's made? Well, he will conclude that the international community's lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on doing more to build an arsenal of devastating destruction. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow. The stakes could not be higher. Some way, someday, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal." -President Bill Clinton in 1998

Iraq under Saddam’s regime has become a land of hopelessness, sadness, and fear. A country where people are ethnically cleansed; prisoners are tortured in more than 300 prisons in Iraq. Rape is systematic . . . congenital malformation, birth defects, infertility, cancer, and various disorders are the results of Saddam’s gassing of his own people. . . the killing and torturing of husbands in front of their wives and children . . . Iraq under Saddam has become a hell and a museum of crimes."

–Iraqi Safia Al Souhail, Advocacy Director of the International Alliance for Justice

"The Iraqi regime and its weapons of mass destruction represent a clear threat to world security. This danger has been explicitly recognized by the U.N."

-Letter by Eight European leaders in support of the United States

In 1991 Saddam killed 500,000 people when they rose against him. Nobody demonstrated against him then. But now the United States wants to get rid of the dictator, people are demonstrating against it.”

-one of the Iraqi liberation soldiers the U.S. is training at "Camp Freedom" in Hungary

Date:: 03/06/03
Time:: 09:45 AM

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Are you aware of what out country is doing in order to get smaller countries to vote the way we want them to? Bribing, threatening, bullying? I'm so ashamed!!! Read this: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/mar2003/un-m06.shtml

Date:: 03/06/03
Time:: 02:29 PM

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You people....How can you be so blind. I am a New Yorker, and I truly believe in my heart the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated by the Bush Administration. Speaking like a true New Yorker, "it wasn't suppose to go down like that" almost 3,000 people lost their lives needlessly. Why, you ask? Because the Bush Administration did not count on the NYPD and FDNY's problems with their communications equipment. The arrogance and bickering that exists between the two departments. NY's Braves, NY's Finest. It has always been a rivalry. Nobody shares information. The Bush Administration thought the city of NY will bail them out and save all those people in the towers. But...we screwed it up didn't we. I believe somebody is not going to be able to sleep any longer at night in the comfort of their home, knowing what we did. The truth shall come to light my friends. The Bush Administration planned the attacks, make no mistake about it. Everybody was here on that day, FEMA, the FBI. Why did it take NORAD 28 minutes to report those planes missing? Why were fighters scrambled from a base 180 miles away when seven other bases had fighter jets ready that could have done the job in a fraction of the time? Drills were been simulated downtown, that very morning, by the FDNY and NYPD, why? Ask yourselves, why? Why that day?

Peter New York

Date:: 03/06/03
Time:: 05:32 PM

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Peter,

You stocked your house with food and traded all your money for gold in preparation for the Y2K disaster didn't you?

Date:: 03/06/03
Time:: 05:57 PM

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the goverment has been hiding stuff from us for a long time. If any of you dout that New York Peter is kidding, come read some of the the stuff they been hiding. If they lie about things like that they can lie about not knowing about 911. read http://www.rickhaehnel.com/ some of it was wrote by a doctor even, so its not like just anybody is writing this. I have read about all sorts of stuff the goverment is hiding, I can let you know of plenty more.

Date:: 03/07/03
Time:: 07:03 AM

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``We no longer live in a world where only the actual firing of weapons represents a sufficient challenge to a nation's security.'' President Kennedy, during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis

``Do not let us split hairs. Let us not say, `We will only defend ourselves if the torpedo succeeds in getting home, or if the crew and the passengers are drowned.' This is the time for prevention of attack.'' F. D. Roosevelt, on Sept. 11, 1941 (note: we were at "peace" at the time, this was before Dec 7, 1941 when Japan declared war on the US. Germany did so on Dec 11, 1941)

Date:: 03/07/03
Time:: 10:20 AM

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Very funny, unknown person.... I did not stock up for Y2K. Fortunately for me I know a bit about computers and how they work, so I knew everything was going to be just find when the clock struck midnight. However, when you awaken from your hybernation, 20 years from now when someone writes a tell all book about 9/11, I'll be more than happy to be the first to say "I told you so". Wake up and take a wiff of the stench my friend. This goverment is not as nice as you think, and believe me when I tell you...Is it capable of anything. Take a look at south america. Maybe you'll get a better sense of what this goverment is really capable of!

Peter in NY

Date:: 03/07/03
Time:: 03:21 PM

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And further more here is another example of how our "great" government hides things from the people. Wihy, I ask you, Why?

http://www.omnimag.com/archives/features/supernatural/

Peter in NY

Date:: 03/07/03
Time:: 04:28 PM

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Bush isn't a moron, he's a cunning sociopath By Bev Conover: http://www.onlinejournal.com/ Online Journal Editor & Publisher

Date:: 03/07/03
Time:: 04:42 PM

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Isn't it rather cowardly, what we are doing? to force a country to destroy its defenses and then attack it? Make it tolerate inspections but offer no tit-for-tat? Because tit-for-tat is what we were doing in the Eisenhower administration with Krushchev in 1955 -- designing a disarmament TREATY.

It's so easy to win when you've already crippled your opponent.

Eileenos

Date:: 03/07/03
Time:: 04:42 PM

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It's so easy to win when you've already crippled your opponent.

Eileenos

Date:: 03/07/03
Time:: 04:48 PM

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Is there an echo here?

Date:: 03/07/03
Time:: 09:41 PM

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I seen something about louisianna in hear that's wher i live. allyou folks from up north shuld know we ain t ignor ant down hear. bring on soddam hussien, we will take care o his butt. cause ifn we didnt live hear we wood not be able to own computters an type on this hear website.

bubba

Date:: 03/07/03
Time:: 09:58 PM

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Eileen said, "It's so easy to win when you've already crippled your opponent. "

What are you saying? You want to give them a chance? If we are at war, we should try for a complete, fast and devasating victory. This would decrease casualties on our side.

Giving them a chance would be giving them a chance to kill Americans.

Date:: 03/08/03
Time:: 07:39 AM

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It may not seem too smart the first time , but by the second time you post it, it makes twice as much sense.

Date:: 03/08/03
Time:: 09:46 PM

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The Worst Mayors (1820-1993) Next, and seventh, is Cleveland's Dennis Kucinich (1977-79). Only thirty-one years old when elected, Cleveland's "boy" mayor had failings that were not the sins of venality or graft for personal gain, but rather matters of style, temperament, and bad judgment in office. Kucinich earned seventh place the hard way: by his abrasive, intemperate, and confrontational populist political style, which led to a disorderly and chaotic administration. He barely survived a recall vote just ten months into office, then disappeared for five weeks, reportedly recuperating from an ulcer. When he got back into the political fray, his demagogic rhetoric and slash-and-burn political style got him into serious trouble when he stubbornly refused to compromise and led Cleveland into financial default in late 1978—the first major city to default since the Great Depression. That led also to Kucinich's defeat and exit from executive office. Out of office, he dabbled in a Hollywoodesque spirit world and once believed he had met actress Shirley MacLaine in a previous life, seemingly confirming his critics' charges that he was a "nut-cake." After that, he experienced downward mobility, losing races for several other offices and finally ending up with a council seat; but more recently, he climbed back up to a seat in Congress. Bad judgment, demagoguery, and default also spelled political failure in the eyes of twenty-five of our experts, who ranked Dennis, whom the press called "the Menace," as seventh-worst. The American Mayor The Best & The Worst Big-City Leaders By Melvin G. Holli The Pennsylvania State University Press

Date:: 03/08/03
Time:: 09:46 PM

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WWW.KUCINICH.COM

Date:: 03/09/03
Time:: 01:38 PM

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We are deeply divided, along fault lines that are not always clear to me. Where I see a petulant Uncle Sam sinking up to his tailcoat in the raw sewage of hypocrisy--bellowing, clutching his little flag in one hand and his little cross in the other--my neighbor may see the righteous wrath of a great nation wounded. Where I see the most cynical of domestic politics driving a suicidal foreign policy, editors who ought to know better claim to see strong leaders and American idealism in action. It makes me sick at heart to see liberal newspapers, like The News & Observer, slowly caving in to war fever, running ever more columns, cartoons and editorials that cast Saddam as the Antichrist. Please read the rest of this superb article at:

http://www.indyweek.com/durham/2003-03-05/cover.html

Date:: 03/09/03
Time:: 04:23 PM

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As debate rages back and forth across the Atlantic over the morality and acceptability of this assault against Iraq, it is interesting to note the German position. It was Germany who bought most completely into the war lie during the past century. It was the German people who, with their faith in country and leadership, and even their loyalty to the Fatherland, made possible the greatest nightmare the world has ever known.

It is those same German people who stand today before Europe and the world in unflinching opposition to this latest world conquering force. How well do the German people know George W. Bush? ..........Better than they want to! TRUTHOUT

Date:: 03/09/03
Time:: 05:52 PM

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Interesting, some decry editorials painting Sadam as the antichrist. Judging from some of the opinions expressed here, you would think that Bush is a worse tyrant than Sadam. Sadam rapes, tortures and gases his own people, but we should give him another chance. As far as Bush is concerned, he set up 9/11, probably caused the shuttle disaster.....

One thing I must admit to not missing is the destruction of common "little people" (ie Paula Jones, Juanita Broadrick, Dick Morris, Gary Aldrich....) by the people with the power of the US government behind them, as was practiced during the last administration to fight accusations of impropriety by the POTUS at the time. If you can't defend yourself, destroy the accuser.

Date:: 03/09/03
Time:: 07:45 PM

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Right, Bush is responsible for the 911 attacks, the Space shuttle crash, global warming and inventing SUVs.

Well maybe Saddam is evil:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,635-592766,00.html

http://hrw.org/reports/world/iraq-pubs.php

http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/print/MDE140082001?OpenDocument

Peter, from NY

Date:: 03/09/03
Time:: 08:59 PM

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Wow.

If all that is true, I'm a convert. Full speed ahead.

A liberal in Arkansas

Date:: 03/09/03
Time:: 11:40 PM

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to the self-righteous right wingers: who do you keep calling 'Einstein'? from reading your posts, and visiting those so-called right-wing 'links' you provided, it is obvious that you guys are full of it. not to mention arrogant, ignorant, and very ugly: your language towards the poster reveals that you have alot of hate and anger...you obviously have some serious mental defects, and your rantings only reveal just how mentally unstable YOU are, not anyone else. it's funny how you try to make yourself feel better by insulting other people on this website...so typical of right-wingers: when your rhetoric and nonsense fails...make personal attacks! i bet you are a coward and insulting people via the web is the only means to make yourself feel better. how pathetic is that?

Date:: 03/09/03
Time:: 11:50 PM

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"bring it on moron"...no wonder the world hates Americans. why go off to Iraq to kill people when there are plenty of assholes here to shoot?

Date:: 03/10/03
Time:: 05:33 AM

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I love it when liberals find themselves proven wrong and have no arguments - they start name calling.

Date:: 03/10/03
Time:: 07:33 AM

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Einstein II, since Einstein the first could not do it, maybe you can identify the faults in what I posted. Simply dismissing them as right wing does not exactly cut it in my book, but now that you have made that assertion, please defend calling law.com or the web page for McDermott, Will and Emery right wing links. Please put your information where your mouth is , there should be lots of room.

Since you have chosen to defend him, please try to identify what city where Einstein the first may live. Here is a hint: his "father was a medical examiner for over thirty years, and personally investigated thousands of wrongful 'executions' of people by individuals who claimed that they were protecting themselves". You may find you are allied with a liar.

You may think I am mentally unstable, but I can still put together a coherent post with concrete supporting evidence, which is more than you or Einstein the first have ever shown an ability to do.

Your post is just as devoid of substance as those of Einstein the first, and I would surmise your intellect is just as vacuous.

Bring it on, moron II

Date:: 03/10/03
Time:: 10:20 AM

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"why go off to Iraq to kill people when there are plenty of assholes here to shoot?" What an eloquent post, just what one could expect from some gun-crazy right wing militia type.

Date:: 03/10/03
Time:: 10:31 AM

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Moron II:

No way could anyone say that CNN is a right wing web page. Now that Blix has knowingly withheld information he new during his oral report last week, can he be trusted. How much more of a smoking gun do you liberals need?

Iraq has unmanned drones and cluster bombs:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/10/sprj.irq.main/index.html

Date:: 03/10/03
Time:: 11:19 AM

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Hello my fellow readers! This is Peter in NY. Please note that the last 2 postings on 3/7 @ 3:21 p.m. and on 3/9 @ 7:45 p.m. were not posted by me. I don't know who this person is but whomever you are, please stop using my name to boast your beliefs. I am against the war in Iraq, yes, but I only express my opinion. If you really want to express your own, please use your own name. I think that the rest of you can tell the difference between me and the impostor. Just take a good look at the way he types....

Peter New York

Date:: 03/10/03
Time:: 01:11 PM

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Every decade or so, we should remind ourselves of who the Iraqis are:

1. Twelve-thousand years ago, they invented irrigated farming. They got to be so good at it that, today; they can still produce all the food they need even when "sanctions" are imposed. 2. They invented writing. 3. They figured out how to tell time. 4. They founded modern mathematics. 5. In the Code of Hammurabi, they invented the first legal system that protects the weak, the widow and the orphan. 6. Five-thousand years ago, they had philosophers who attempted to list every known thing in the world. 7. They were using Pythagoras' theorem 1,700 years before Pythagoras. 8. They invented artificial building materials, some kind of pre-fab-crete stuff used to construct high-rise towers. 9. Ur, in southeast Iraq, is assumed to be the place we're all descended from. 10. They were the first people to build cities and live in them. 11. For thousands of years, they wrote the greatest poetry, history and "sagas" in the world. 12. Because they were great horse breeders, they invented the cavalry in war. 13. The Iraq Museum in Baghdad contains some of the most outstanding stone, metal and clay sculptures and inscriptions created in the history of the world. Some of them are more than 7,000 years old. 14. The first school for astronomers was established by Iraqis. This is how the "wise men" got to be so wise. They knew how to follow the star. 15. Beginning around 800 A.D., the Iraqis founded universities that imported teachers from throughout the civilized world to teach medicine, mathematics, philosophy, theology, literature and poetry. 16. For the first 1,200 years of its existence, Baghdad was regarded as one of the most refined, civilized and festive cities in the world. 17. Abraham, the father of Israel, was from Iraq. 18. Abraham, the father of Islam, was from Iraq. 19. Abraham, the father and "model" of Christian faith, was from Iraq. 20. Iraq is the second largest reserve of oil. 21. Before 1980, Iraq has the largest number of date palm trees in the world. 22. Iraqi wheat, rice, and meat are considered from the finest types in the world. 23. Iraq has the biggest soft water/population ratio in the world, seven rivers. 24. Iraqis are considered the Germans of Arabs with highest percent of highly educated people. 25. Iraq is one of the world's richest territories in historical sites and holy shrines.

Saddam Hussein doesn't regard himself as the heir of Abraham, or even as the heir of Muhammad. He regards himself, first and foremost, as the heir of Nebuchadnezzar. He identifies, in other words, with the enslaver, not the enslaved. Everything we know about the rest of Iraq tells us that Saddam is the exception, not the Iraqis. Always remember: Saddam Hussein is not Iraq, and Iraq is not Saddam Hussein.

Don't invade this country & kill, maim & cause misery upon these wonderful people, support NEVER ENDING inspections, we can wait him out, he won't live forever.

Date:: 03/10/03
Time:: 01:48 PM

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calm down conserva-nazis! if you think that you are right, then why do you keep coming back to this site? nothing better to do? who are the real "Morons"? take a wild guess: you guys probaly should not be talking. and yes, to nazi #1, your arguments have plenty of contradictions and faults, though in your mind you are the expert on everything, so there is no point in discussing anything with you. and what is with little nazi #2? they just seem unable to think on their own. why don't you guys go visit Michael Savage's website, it's more along the lines of your mentalities, and should keep you entertained for awhile: there is even a message board where you guys and the rest of the nazis can share you dysfunctional veiws with one another. think of it as group-think therepy. who knows, you nazis just might make some new friends and go burn some crosses and beat-up some homosexuals and minorities. sounds like your kind of fun, does'nt it?

Date:: 03/10/03
Time:: 01:54 PM

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The Pentagon has placed orders for extra bodybags for US troops: now is that a good sign? or do they feel not-to-confident?

Date:: 03/10/03
Time:: 03:26 PM

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I am the real Peter in New York.

Peter

Date:: 03/10/03
Time:: 03:31 PM

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I don't know who you are buddy, but you are really starting to piss me off....

Peter New York

Date:: 03/10/03
Time:: 05:20 PM

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For those of you who do not believe what this goverment, not just the Bush Administration, is capable of, please read the following:

Chile

In 1973, the CIA destroyed the oldest functioning democracy in South America. Twenty years later, the agency is still trying to deny its involvement. The CIA intervened massively in Chile's 1958 and 1964 elections. In 1970, its fears were realized-the socialist candidate, a physician named Salvador Allende, was elected president. Horrified, President Nixon ordered the CIA to prevent Allende's inauguration. The agency did its best to promote a military coup, but the Chilean military's long history of respect for the democratic process made this virtually impossible. One of the main impediments was the Chilean army's chief of staff, General Rene Schneider, so the CIA plotted with fanatics in the military to assassinate him. The killing backfired, solidifying support for Allende, who took office as scheduled. That approach having failed, the CIA was ordered to create a "coup climate." ("Make the economy scream," President Nixon told CIA Director Helms.) CIA-backed acts of sabotage and terror multiplied. The agency trained members of the fascist organization Patria y Libertad (PyL) in guerrilla warfare and bombing, and they were soon waging a campaign of arson. The CIA also sponsored demonstrations and strikes, funded by ITT and other US corporations with Chilean holdings. CIA-linked media, including the country's largest newspaper, fanned the flames of crisis. The military's patriotism was gradually eroded by endless stories about Marxist "atrocities" like castration and cannibalism, and rumors that the military would be purged or "destroyed" and Soviet bases set up. When the coup finally came, in September 1973, it was led by the most extreme fascist members of the military, and it was unrelenting in its ferocity. Allende was assassinated (some CIA apologists maintain he committed suicide-by shooting himself with a machine gun!). Several cabinet ministers were also assassinated, the universities were put under military control, opposition parties were banned and thousands of Chileans were tortured and killed, many fingered as "radicals" by lists provided by the CIA. Under the military junta headed by General Pinochet, torture of dissidents became routine, particularly at a gruesome prison called Colonia Dignidad. It drew expatriate Nazis from all over South America, one of whom told a victim that the work of the Nazi death camps was being continued there. No wonder the CIA tries to deny it was involved in the Chilean coup. It turned a democratic, peace loving nation into a slaughterhouse.

Afghanistan

During the Reagan years, the CIA ran nearly two dozen covert operations against various governments. Of these, Afghanistan was by far the biggest; it was, in fact, the biggest CIA operation of all time, both in terms of dollars spent ($5-$6 billion) and personnel involved. Yet it not only generated little controversy, but enjoyed strong bipartisan support. That's because its main purpose was to "bleed" the Soviet Union, just as we had been bled in Vietnam. Prior to the 1979 Russian invasion, Afghanistan was ruled by a brutal dictator. Like the neighboring Shah of Iran, he allowed the CIA to set up radar installations in his country that were used to monitor the Soviets. In 1979, after several dozen Soviet advisors were massacred by Afghan tribesmen, the USSR sent in the Red Army. The Soviets tried to install a pliable client regime, without taking local attitudes much into account. Many of the mullahs who controlled chunks of Afghan territory objected to Soviet efforts to educate women and to institute land reform. Others, outraged by the USSR's attempts to suppress the heroin trade, shifted their operations to Pakistan. As for the CIA, its aim was simply to humiliate the Soviets by arming anyone who would fight against them. The agency funneled cash and weapons to over a dozen guerrilla groups, many of whom had been staging raids from Pakistan years before the Soviet invasion. Today, long after the Soviet Union left Afghanistan (and, in fact, has ceased to exist), most of these groups are still fighting each other for control of the country. Besides tossing billions of dollars into the conflict, the CIA transferred sensitive weapons technology to fanatical Muslim extremists, with consequences that will haunt the US for years to come. One notable veteran of the Afghan operation is Sheik Abdel Rahman, famous for his role in the World Trade Center bombing. The CIA succeeded in creating chaos, but never developed a plan for ending it. When the ten-year war was over, a million people were dead, and Afghan heroin had captured 60% of the US market.

Date:: 03/10/03
Time:: 05:52 PM

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We keep coming to this site because we live in a free country and have freedom of speech. If we can point out the contradictions in liberal thinking, you may start to question and see the light.

Another Peter in New York (seems to be a lot of Peters in New York)

Date:: 03/10/03
Time:: 09:04 PM

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Calling someone conserva-nazi is hardly the way to either prove your point or establish your credibility. Your assanine babling of stale cliches is not going to convince anyone with an IQ above the number of whatever teeth you may have left.

If indeed my arguments have plenty of contradictions and faults, please point them out. I have been wrong before and doubtless will be again, and I do appreciate an intelligent discussion, something which no one has provided here. I initially posted regarding tort reform, and there have been several responses, but not a single one with substance, and with at least one blatant lie. I do check the facts before I post them, but no one who has responded has shown an inclination to be interested, much less influenced, by verifiable facts.

I do not know if you are Einstein the first or his successor, or even another candidate for the title of moron in chief, but feel free to bring it on.