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"WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON 9-11?" - The
Transcript
Jared Israel Interviewed by Mark Haim
KOPN 89.5 FM (Missouri) Evening Edition * 2 April 2002
[Posted 10 June 2002]
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[Editor's note: to make the
transition from speech to written word more readable and useful I
deleted repetition and side-comments, mercislessly cut callers'
questions or summarized them and condensed or otherwise altered
sentences for clarity. The resulting text is 40% shorter. I have
also corrected minor errors (e.g., Jared said the FAA knew of the
first hijacking at 8:25, but they actually said 8:20) and added
words where the meaning, in print, would be ambiguous.- John
Flaherty]
* MARK HAIM
It's a bit refreshing to hear that there are
people asking questions about 9-11. And Jared Israel, over this
hour we're going to be talking about those questions, taking calls
from our listeners, hearing your answers.
* JARED ISRAEL
Great.
* MARK HAIM
Before we get started though, can you give us a
little thumb-nail sketch of who Jared Israel is, what you do,
where you're from.
* JARED ISRAEL
Well, I'm from New York. I'm from the 60's
generation. I'm an old guy. During the 60's - what did you do in
the 60's?
* MARK HAIM
Don't say that, it makes me feel old.
* JARED ISRAEL
You are; you are. You're not getting better;
you're getting older.
I was active in the civil rights movement and
the student movement against the war in Vietnam. And then I did
just regular life things. I got back into activity in l998,
dealing with media coverage of, especially, Yugoslavia, and since
then media coverage of 9-11. Analyzing media distortion is a
special interest of mine. I did a lot of that during the war in
Vietnam. So I have some experience.
* MARK HAIM
Sort of an investigator of journalists.
* JARED ISRAEL
Well, that's right. The thing that our Website,
Emperor's Clothes, does is look at how the media misrepresents
information. Frighteningly, we find it occurs in definite
patterns, which are very hard to explain in a nice way. But that's
what we do. We study the facts.
* MARK HAIM
Very quickly, after the tragic events of
September 11th you-all devoted a rather extensive portion of your
Website to a critique of the information we were given. Do you
want to share just a broad outline of what your research has
shown?
* JARED ISRAEL
Well, the first thing that shocked me and a lot
of other people too because I've heard this from people in the
military and the Customs Department - was that no planes went in
the air over Washington, D.C. until after the Pentagon was hit.
* MARK HAIM
You're talking about planes that might intercept
incoming -
* JARED ISRAEL
Yeah. Intercept doesn't necessarily mean an
aggressive act. It means a plane goes up and interacts with
another plane.
There's a huge Air Force Base 10 miles from the
Pentagon, Andrews Air Force Base, that has two combat-ready
fighter wings. The Air National Guard Fighter Wing describes
itself as being maintained in the highest possible state of combat
readiness. None of those planes went in the air. But then, a few
minutes after the Pentagon was hit, they did go in the air,
because we have news reports about that. Why would that happen?
* MARK HAIM
So essentially, four planes are hijacked and
they're able to observe these planes on their radar, going off
course and yet, no response. Is that it?
* JARED ISRAEL
Well, here's for example.
At 9:06 the FAA, according to their account, closed the air
corridor between Cleveland and Washington, DC. (1) If they closed
this air corridor, which is one of the most extreme actions the
FAA has ever taken, why wouldn't they put planes in the air over
Washington?
* MARK HAIM
This is after the -
* JARED ISRAEL
After the first two hits. The second World Trade
Center hit was at 9:03, approximately. So this was at 9:06, within
three minutes.
The U.S. has a very sophisticated air force. On
Emperor's Clothes we posted some of the documents which lay out
what NORAD, the
FAA
- the Federal Aviation Administration - and the
Joint Chiefs of Staff are supposed to do when there's a
hijacking. (2)
The FAA says they
knew or strongly suspected there was a hijacking by 8:20. (3)
We believe they knew sooner but let's take their word. Vice
President Cheney said on 'Meet the Press' on September 16th, that
the Secret Service went on emergency open lines with the FAA as
soon as the first plane hit the World Trade Center. Which was at
8:45 Eastern Time, right? So, if the Secret Service was on open
lines to the FAA at 8:45; if at 9:06 the corridor between
Washington and Cleveland was closed, then how could it be that no
planes were put in the air over Washington?
* MARK HAIM
What time was the Pentagon hit?
* JARED ISRAEL
The Pentagon was hit at approximately 9:45
Eastern Time, so we're talking about an hour and 40 minutes
between the time they knew there was a hijacking and the time the
Pentagon was hit. That hijacked plane was flying west from Boston.
So they knew it could have been flying to Washington, right? Why
didn't they put planes in the air?
* MARK HAIM
When you ask these questions, what answers are
given?
* JARED ISRAEL
Well, no Official has answered us. Which is
amazing, because the documentation that we've produced has gotten
a tremendous readership.
The answers they have given in general to this
question, because it has been raised by millions of people, is,
"We just weren't ready. We didn't realize this kind of thing was
coming."
That was the first answer they gave. And then
they changed the answer on the 14th of September and said they had
put planes in the air but it was too late. This is very important
because they didn't say that during the first three days. They
only discovered that they had put planes in the air three days,
four days after the event. Now just think about that.
* MARK HAIM
These planes were put in the air from where?
* JARED ISRAEL
They claimed two planes were put in the air from
Otis Air Force Base but weren't in time to catch Flight 11 before
it hit the World Trade Center. And they claimed planes were sent
out of Langley Air Force Base, which is around 126 miles south of
Washington, DC, near Newport News. They claimed that again those
planes were too late.
Now, that story is simply absurd. Consider. A
plane hit the Pentagon, supposedly, because we're going by their
story, at 9:45. That plane left Dulles Airport. It went west 300
miles to Ohio and turned around.
Supposedly the transponder was turned off.
Turning off a transponder does not make a plane invisible. It
merely means that certain aspects of the tracking become
non-functional and some more recent radar can't then see the
plane, but basic radar can. There are several radar stations that
would have been able to see that plane in that area. Keep in mind
that it was at 9:00 Eastern Time that this happened. This was
around 30 minutes after they knew another plane had been hijacked
and flown into a building. Planes have not been hijacked in the US
for many years and this would be the second possible hijacking. A
few minutes later they closed the air corridor from Cleveland to
Washington, D.C., so they knew something was happening, right?
There are multiple radar stations that can scan
that air corridor, including military stations. There are also
military aircraft that have the capacity to go up and see 250
miles with basic radar. So they can see planes with the
transponder turned off. I mean, after all, hostile military planes
can't be expected to turn on their transponders when they invade
your country.
How could it be possible for Flight 77 to go to
Ohio and turn around under those circumstances and fly 50 minutes
back to the Pentagon and nothing be done? How could no planes be
put in the air over Washington, DC during the entire period that
that plane was coming from Ohio back to Washington, DC, given all
that they knew and given that they knew enough to close the air
corridor? This is like you're standing there and a dog walks by
and you notice it has the head of a cat.
* MARK HAIM
Good that people are asking these questions.
Wouldn't people rejoinder that it's been many years since planes
had been hijacked in the US so the authorities are just not used
to it happening?
* JARED ISRAEL
Well, unless we're talking about people who got
frozen by some special ray...I mean a plane had been hijacked at
8:20 and they don't deny that they have the capacity to intercept.
The defense that is made by the government, is
basically stupidity and incompetence. That's what they say. "We
were confused; we didn't know." This spectacle of Bush...
* MARK HAIM
Let's get to Bush in just a moment...We got a
caller.
* JARED ISRAEL
Let's take the caller.
* MARK HAIM
Oh, he's not there.
* JARED ISRAEL
Was it something I said?
* MARK HAIM
No, I doubt it.
* JARED ISRAEL
I was getting off the point slightly and it
would have been a long way back so let me just deal with the
specific thing you asked. I said it's been a long time, about 10
years, since the previous hijacking. And you asked, wouldn't it be
reasonable to say that the people in the government were
unprepared?
And many people have raised this point. The
media raised it a good deal. People in the government said it,
Rumsfeld said it; they all made this point. And their behavior
said it. I mean, the spectacle of Bush reading to children about
goats after the second WTC crash, when the air corridor to
Washington, DC from Cleveland had been shut down and when, Cheney
said on Meet the Press, there were direct lines from the Secret
Service to the FAA -
* MARK HAIM
The Secret Service was with Bush.
* JARED ISRAEL
And they were with Bush. And here he is sitting
in a publicly known place reading to children - it's just
mind-boggling. It's a nonsense point.
You know, ordinary people say, "I was shocked."
And the spin-masters are trying to create the impression that the
same goes for the people responsible for air safety and air
defense, that they're just like us. But they are not. Air traffic
control is a carefully organized, military-type operation or else
the planes would hit each other. When a plane goes off course, it
doesn't have to be hijacked. And if they can't make contact with
the pilot and find out what's going on, they have a procedure
which is they send a plane up. They don't have to have evidence of
hostile intent to send a plane up. They just have to have -
* MARK HAIM
Do you know how often they do that?
* JARED ISRAEL
Not very often but they do do it. For instance,
when Payne Stewart's Lear jet went out of control, they sent
planes and chased it across the country and determined it was on
autopilot and it was going to go to an unpopulated area. There was
no evidence there of hostile intent.
There were articles in the New York Times of
September 13th and September 15th which stated that the Pentagon
knew that that plane was coming from Ohio. The Pentagon was in
touch with the FAA immediately about it. Now, under those
circumstances why wouldn't they scramble planes into the air from
Andrews Air Force Base?
Just think about it. The President's plane flies
into and departs from Andrews Air Force Base. You mean to tell me
they have no fighter escorts there? If the President is in trouble
they have to call from Langley Air Force Base to please come help?
They have 10,000 people working there and they can't put a plane
in the air? Please.
* MARK HAIM
Did Andrews Air Force Base put something on
their Website?
* JARED ISRAEL
They did. You know, we don't' want to sound
paranoid; we're just the messenger. The Andrews Air Force Website,
prior to 911, stated that its job included the protection of
Washington, D.C. After 9-11 that information was removed. Now
unfortunately for them, there is an archive Website, which we have
cited on Emperor's Clothes, which maintains images of Websites in
previous periods. So we can prove that the information was there,
and was removed. (4)
Before 9-11, the D.C. Air National Guard Website
had a statement that they maintained planes in the highest
possible state of combat readiness.(5)
Now if that doesn't mean they're ready to fly
what does it mean? What's the highest possible state of combat
readiness? That statement was on the DC Air National Guard Website
before 9-11. (5)
On one of those Websites there's a note that
says it was changed on September 12th. Literally. Why? Why would
they remove the information that the job of these forces was to
protect Washington, D.C. unless to hide the fact that they had
failed at their job?
Now, how would it be possible for a failure like
that to occur out of incompetence? We're not talking about
ordinary incompetence. Two planes had hit buildings in New York.
They knew those planes had been highjacked. They knew a hijacked
plane was coming towards Washington, D.C. They didn't know it for
just five minutes. They knew it for almost an hour.
* MARK HAIM
We've got another caller. Hi, Caller.
* CALLER
Hi. I want to thank you for this program. A
question for the guest. Assuming all of this is true, which, these
are pretty obvious facts, do you believe that this prior knowledge
was an effort by Bush to legitimize the global war on terrorism
and following that - what steps are being taken on a national
level to make this information available and widely known to the
American public?
* MARK HAIM
These are two big questions, Caller. Can we
start with talking about what you think was the motive?
Jared, was this in your opinion something where
our government knew something was coming and didn't take action?
Or was it actually our government in connivance with the
perpetrators? You know obviously the political advantage since
September 11 has gone to the Right - it's gone to the Bush
administration and their allies in the military industrial
complex. If you look at who's benefited, this is clearly something
that has not only benefited what was previously a tottering and
what many people saw as an illegitimate administration - and they
now have some of the highest political ratings any have ever had.
* JARED ISRAEL
You know, aside from the question of Right/Left,
there's the whole question of the effect on ordinary people.
Because another way of putting what you said would be that immense
amounts of money and power have moved from ordinary people to very
rich people. I mean, you know, if you listen to Bush's Town Hall
meeting - I think it was the one in Florida - everybody gets up
and says, "You are the greatest leader in history - what are we
going to do about the layoffs?" In other words, they first bow to
him and then they say, "We've all lost our jobs." And he says,
"It's not the role of government to help you." It's the role of
government only to make war, right? We have small government -
makes war. So what you're saying has a lot of truth to it.
Here's my own feeling: obviously, foreknowledge
and planning mean the same. Because it's not reasonable that
powerful forces in our government would simply know that
terrorists were going to do this and let it happen without them
having an intimate connection with those terrorists. That is, how
could they know, otherwise?
* MARK HAIM What if there was intelligence
gathering, with people under surveillance and they chose, because
it was to their political advantage, to let them do what they were
doing?
* JARED ISRAEL
It doesn't make sense. Consider Bush's behavior.
Without saying that he knew days before, we know that he knew
before he left his hotel that the first World Trade Center had
been hit and we know, from Cheney, that the FAA had open lines to
the Secret Service, which was with Bush. Why did the Secret
Service let him go to that school? That school is 5 miles from an
international airport. According to Time magazine -
* MARK HAIM
Was this in Tampa?
* JARED ISRAEL
No, the Booker school is in Sarasota and there's
something called the Sarasota-Brandenton International Airport
five miles from the Booker on Martin Luther King Boulevard there.
Time Magazine published, it was either in '93 or
'94, an article saying that the biggest fear among presidential
security forces was that a plane would be hijacked from an
international airport and used to fly into a building where he was
staying.
Now, if that was the biggest fear of the Secret
Service, and if the Secret Service knew that there was a hijacking
at 8:20, and that the hijacked plane later hit a building, which
according to Cheney, they knew - how would it be conceivable for
them to let him go to that school?
I mean it would be an act of treason to let him
go to that school under those circumstances unless they knew for
sure that he was safe. And only somebody in on the scam knows
anything for sure.
So if he was merely aware from Intelligence
reports that *something* was going to happen, that would not, in
the mind of any reasonable, conservative-acting, Secret Service
person be sufficient to allow him to go to that school. He had to
know that that school could not possibly be a target.
* MARK HAIM
Of course later in the day he scurried from one
-
* JARED ISRAEL
Isn't that something? After everything happened,
suddenly his entourage in Sarasota went into the most extreme
security mode. The same people, in the same town, closed down all
of the airports - Sarasota-Bradenton International Airport was
closed down.
* MARK HAIM
They closed down airports all over the country
didn't they?
* JARED ISRAEL
But they closed down Sarasota-Brandenton before
the others and they ordered that the education commissioner not be
permitted to land. They blocked all the roads. The guys in
security at the airport said they'd never seen anything like it -
in fact they implied it was absurd.
This was all for show.
* MARK HAIM
Let's take this other caller. Hi, Caller, you're
on Evening Edition.
* CALLER
Yeah, I'm listening to what this man's saying
and I don't think the government knew what was going on after the
first plane hit. I think they thought it was a stray and I just
can't buy what he's saying. I think the man has an agenda. I think
you have an agenda. And I'm not believing anything you-all say.
* MARK HAIM
Caller, one thing I want to make clear. I have
not endorsed my guest's point of view. I'm just interviewing him.
And I think it's an interesting hypothesis he has. I simply am
exploring this question and invited a guest who's done quite a bit
of research to answer your questions.
* CALLER
I think he's taken some pieces of a puzzle, put
them to together and he ain't got the whole picture yet but he's
trying' to make it work.
* MARK HAIM
Ok. Any specific question, Caller?
* CALLER
Why does he have a grudge against the United
States government? Does it go back to the 60's?
* MARK HAIM
Jared, would you like to respond to that?
* JARED ISRAEL
Well, I mean, "And do you still beat your wife?"
Look, things happened that day that affected us
all tremendously. The opinions that I'm putting forward are held
by many people in the military. As I mentioned before, people in
the Customs department, on two occasions, have expressed them to
me and we've received a lot of email from military people who were
very pleased we were bringing these points up. We have an Air
Force that didn't respond. Whether I'm critical of the government
about other things, which I am, and whether I care passionately
about this country, which I do - because I have nothing to gain
from raising unpopular points - these are secondary to the
question of the facts I am bringing up. The facts are shocking and
one doesn't want to believe them. And the easiest thing to do
under that circumstance is to say. "You must have an agenda."
Well, even if I did have an agenda - are the facts wrong?
* MARK HAIM
Jared, we've got another caller trying to -
* JARED ISRAEL
Can I just comment on one other thing he said?
* MARK HAIM
Sure.
* JARED ISRAEL
He said that after the first plane hit they
didn't didn't think this was an act of terrorism. Well, here are
some facts.
The FAA reported in Newsday that they knew at
8:20 that Flight 11 had been hijacked out of Boston.
Flight 11 hit the World Trade Center at about
8:45.
Now, what possible reason would anyone have to
believe that a plane, which had been hijacked, and then hit the
biggest building in the US, did it by mistake? That would be
absurd.
And we have reports from, for instance, the
Daily News in New York: "9:08 a.m. Police radio broadcasts, 'This
was a terrorist attack. Notify the Pentagon.'" Daily News, New
York, September 12th.
* MARK HAIM
Ok. We've got a caller. Hi, Caller, thanks for
your patience.
* CALLER
I just got cut off and I don't appreciate his
comments about the wife beating because I don't do that.
* MARK HAIM
No, that's an expression, you know, when you
accuse somebody of something and ask him a question in an
accusative way, it's like saying, "And do you still beat your
wife?"
* JARED ISRAEL
You see, because you said, "Why do you have an
agenda?" That assumes I *have* an agenda. So how can I answer?
You know, when you have a family and you raise
criticisms of family members, it's because you love them and I
rather passionately love the people in this country.
The experiences I had in the 60's were of
working with people to change things. I saw the decency of the
American people. I saw white people who have been affected by
racism come to sympathize with black people. I saw people who had
learned from birth that you don't question the government,
question the government about Vietnam. I'm talking about soldiers.
And I, myself, by the way, started out, if I may say, when I was a
young man, as somebody who would have agreed with you completely,
that is I was completely opposed to people who were questioning.
So I myself have gone through this kind of change. And I think the
American people, and people around the world feel this about us,
have many wonderful traits, openness to ideas and so on.
But I'm talking about criminal actions. I'm
saying we have evidence that suggests criminal action. And we know
that powerful people throughout history have been capable of such
things in the interests of money. That's been true throughout
history. Why would our country be an exception?
[At this point a man called in and raised two
questions to which Jared Israel responded. The questions were:
1) What about the 4th plane, the one that
crashed in Pennsylvania?
2) What about the accusation that the smooth way
the twin towers collapsed suggested explosive charges had been
planted in the buildings?]
* JARED ISRAEL
Well, we're trying, at least at Emperor's
Clothes, to stick to what we're sure of. We really don't know what
happened with that plane in Pennsylvania. We looked into it a bit
and, while it was a terrible tragedy, it was secondary because
things were so much clearer with flight 77, the one that hit the
Pentagon.
On the question of the WTC towers, I've heard
arguments on both sides and we've stayed pretty much away from it
though we reported a little on what some people have said, because
we really don't know.
However, I can tell you this: the firefighters
in New York, in their publication, have been very upset, not only
with the crass way Mayor Giuliani dealt with them, at a certain
point trying to stop them from finding the bodies of their
brothers, but also because of the haste with which the structural
material was removed and melted down, instead of having a proper
fire investigation to determine cause.
But there are a lot of possible explanations
other than that there was a demolition.
So since we don't know the answers on those two
points, we've not tried to give opinions. Indeed, in general we're
*not trying to give opinions*. We're not trying to point out
suspicious circumstances. We're trying to focus on what we can be
sure of and then make logical deductions that would follow,
without prejudice and without emotion, if we can. So that's why
we're dealing with the reported behavior of key leaders and then
analyzing what those reports mean.
For example, regarding the reports we have about
planes and their movements and when those reports were made -
those things we can be sure of because the reports are in print.
That is, we can be sure that they wrote that at a particular time.
So we try to deal with that on Emperor's Clothes.
* MARK HAIM
Hi, Caller.
[Caller asks if Jared Israel knows anything
about a report prior to 9-11 that Attorney General Ashcroft would
be using Air Force One instead of public transportation.]
* JARED ISRAEL
No I don't. Here's an important thing. People
have healthy suspicions which I'm not trying to put a damper on.
But when an event occurs, there are necessarily certain
coincidences which you can then mistakenly see as causative.
Because naturally a whole bunch of things will happen and some of
them will look like they're related. So that's why we try to hone
in on things that are specifically related to this event:
procedures that were not followed. What are the procedures? We
have them on the Website. We have the report of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff which says that the first thing the FAA
does when there's a hijacking is notify the Secretary of Defense.
But according to Assistant Secretary of Defense Victoria Clarke,
it was she who first told Rumsfeld about the World Trade Center
attack. And after that, what did he do? According to Clarke, he
stayed in his office until after the Pentagon was hit. He did not
join her in the National Military Command Center. Now, this is an
unbelievable behavioral response. It can't be explained by saying
there were no hijackings for many years. This woman comes in and
tells Rumsfeld the two biggest buildings in the New York have just
been hit by hijacked planes and Rumsfeld says, "I have to make
some phone calls."
What would be the reason for him staying out of
the National Military Command Center for 45 minute or more? What
would be the *sane* reason? The only reason that we could think of
was that if he wasn't in there he couldn't be held responsible for
the lack of response that he knew was going to take place. So it
was important for him *not* to be in there at that time.
The same thing happened with Richard Myers. He's
acting head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on September 11th. On
September 13th he's going for a nomination hearing to be made head
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. This is the most important day of
his life because on this day, that he is acting chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff - and he's an Air Force General with
thousands of hours of time flying fighter planes - this is the
only day the United States has ever been attacked from the air.
Myers claims he is at Senator Max Cleland's
office in the morning - 8:40 Eastern Time. He sees on TV that the
first plane has hit the World Trade Center. He claims on Armed
Services Radio that at that point he went in and met with Cleland
for an hour. Nobody called him and told him that a second plane
had hit, that the air corridor had been closed between Washington
and Cleveland, that a plane had been hijacked in Ohio and was
flying back to the Pentagon.
Then he also claims that when he walked out of
Cleland's office, he was handed a portable phone and it was the
head of NORAD - the North American Aerospace Defense Command -
telling him the Pentagon had been hit.
Now these are unbelievable assertions. Doesn't
the man have a beeper? Doesn't the man have a cell phone? Doesn't
the man have a secretary who knows where he is? General Myers was,
after all, acting head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the US
military. Wouldn't anybody inform him that planes were being
hijacked and flying into buildings?
And you know what Myers said he talked to Max
Cleland about? He claims he sat there and they discussed the
danger of terrorism. Now this is like a satire. It seems
unbelievable.
* MARK HAIM
Hi, Caller. Can you make a very quick pointed
question?
* CALLER
Yeah. I'm extremely concerned that what we've
just heard for the last hour parallels exactly the anti-Semitic
view that's been pushed throughout the Arab world and into parts
of Europe that this was a conspiracy and that Jews in particular
were forewarned about the attacks on the World Trade Center so
that they would not go to work that day.
* JARED ISRAEL
That's a lie, though. That, of course, isn't
true.
* CALLER
You're playing into the hands of the
anti-Semitic people.
* JARED ISRAEL
Because we have a short time left, let me say,
first of all, that I'm Jewish. Second of all I loathe
anti-Semitism. This gentleman is Jewish, too.
The anti-Semitic stuff was started three days
after 9-11 by General Gul, the former top CIA- connected person in
Pakistan. He told MSNBC that "The Jews" must have done it. This
line has been pushed by Fox TV which is, in my opinion, a very
questionable institution and it's been pitched by some fascistic
people on the Internet, trying to turn this situation, which is
always done when there's a problem, trying to turn this situation,
which has zero connection with Jewish people into an attack on
Jews so that ordinary people, who don't want to question the US
government, because it's such a horrifying idea, have a convenient
group to pin it on. A scapegoat group. And that's what the whole
business is with saying that all the Jews stayed home from the
World Trade Center. Which is an insult to the many Jewish people
and many other people who were friends of theirs who died on that
day.
* MARK HAIM
Caller, does that answer you question?
* CALLER
Well, I would agree but you're playing into the
hands of those people who are doing exactly what you are
complaining about.
* JARED ISRAEL
Well, the problem is what I'm saying, is true.
And we can't *not* tell the truth because liars will try to twist
it. So because I agree with the danger here, I'm going to post,
within the next week, post an exhaustive look at the attempt to
twist this into anti-Semitism - which I know is very prevalent.
And, which I am entirely opposed to. (6)
* MARK HAIM
Caller, I appreciate you getting in on this. We
have no time left, but thank you so much for calling.
* CALLER
Thank you very much.
* MARK HAIM
Jared we are right now just about out of time
and there's so much I wanted to touch on that we haven't even
started on. One caller asked about the efforts to get this out to
more people. I wanted to talk about the political implications of
those of us in the peace movement raising these concerns. We also
haven't touched on bin Laden at all.
* JARED ISRAEL
No, which I'd love to talk about.
* MARK HAIM
I'm wondering might you be available to come
back and finish this issue next Tuesday night?
* JARED ISRAEL
Sure. Why not. Anytime you want.
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Further Reading:
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For a full list of Emperor's
Clothes articles (with lots of documentation!) on 9-11, go to
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm
1) 'Newsday,' September 23, 2001,
'AMERICA'S ORDEAL; Where System Failed; Air attack on Pentagon
indicates weaknesses,' by Sylvia Adcock, Brian Donovan and Craig
Gordon. The direct link is
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nd23.htm#1
2) The article,
"Cheney's Cover Story,' has a much material on the prescribed
response to a hijacking. On the FAA, see
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm#a
On The Joint Chiefs, see 'Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Instruction 3610.01A,' 1 June 2001, "Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking)
and Destruction of Derelict Airborne Objects," 4.Policy (page 1)
PDF available at:
http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf
Backup at:
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/3610_01a.pdf
3) 'Newsday,' September 23, 2001,
'AMERICA'S ORDEAL; Where System Failed; Air attack on Pentagon
indicates weaknesses,' by Sylvia Adcock, Brian Donovan and Craig
Gordon. The direct link is
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nd23.htm#2
4) The changes in
text of the Andrews Air Force Base-related Websites are documented
(with links) and discussed in 'UPDATES
TO GUILTY FOR 9-11,' at
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm
5) The DCANG
Website was changed, removing the pledge to maintain planes in the
"highest possible state of readiness." You can still access that
text, however, through
www.archive.org
Go to
http://web.archive.org/web/20010203183700/http://dcandr.ang.af.mil/
Click on "Headquarters" and you should see it. If that link stops
working, go to
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/dcandr2.htm
6) The promised
article on anti-Semitism related to 9-11 is late, but in the
works.
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